No Spider-Man 4?

Although I don't agree with Mr. Parker's assesment of the films, I do agree about not liking the organic web shooters.
And here's why:
In the comics, many times during a vital part of a fight Peter would run out of webbing. Or he would know that he didn't have enough fluid left to say pursue a lead or go somewhere he needed to go before refilling. This created many instances of dynamic tension. Suddenly, here is an outside force stopping Peter from fullfilling his obligations. And that is what Spiderman was all about. Man's battle with the forces of nature and environment. Look at most of Spidey's villains. Many either elemental in nature or based upon things found within nature. i.e. The Vulture(animal), Rhino(animal), Kraven(animalistic), Sandman(elemental), Electro(elemantal), the Lizard(animal), etc. etc. Even The Green Goblin was a man who had enhanced his nature, which if anyone remebers is what the Goblin Formula was created to do. Not JUST give superhuman strength.
Now, this is old school Spidey I am talking about of course. None of this Venom or Carnage bullsh*t.
And this same thing that made me dislike the first movie, brought me back around in S2. Suddenly he couldn't rely upon his powers completely anymore. Suddenly he was running out of web fluid. So they brought that struggle back into play.
'Nuff said.

Originally posted by BlackC@t
I agree that Tobey's voice is little freakish.

But I'm so sick of you saying your a true Spidey fan just because you hate the organics! so said that he see's the light, not true, weither the movies are good or bad is a matter of opinion.

My brother is a Spidey fan (not huge) but he's like the comics for decades. He was so happy when the organics were created, he hated the web shooters.

The organics don't matter, it's a small issue. I probably would've hated the movies if the webbing was from wrist watches. His webbing wouldn't come out from his ass, a spider's abdomen is it's strongest point which is why web comes from it, for a human it's our arms, that's why Spidey's web comes from his arm.

The movies weren't a piece of crap, they raised billions at the box office because so many fell in love with the movies. They're all true fans, why? because they like the movies no matter what. That's what a true fan is.

You keep saying the web shooters are better, why? I have yet to see you post a reason apart from 'it betrays the comics!' which is a load of bullshit.

He's not a monster. There is so point on calling him 'Man-Spider' because it's pretty much exactly the same as 'Spider-Man' apart from it's a cheap and crappy name you gave to him.

ya just shut up becuase dude its not just the organics its everything, the movies are crap and always will be;as i say again, Mr Parker is right. And dont say your sick of him saying that becuase hes speaken his mind ....and thats allowed... thats what forums are for,
and trust me hes not the only one who feels this way about the movies, i know a whole bunch of other people whol feel the same way, were right you guys are wrong

Mr Parker I whole heartedly agree with you.People just dont speak the truth enough like that about Spider-Man in the movies.

But Doctor Octopus was great.He became evil because of his accident like in the comics.I didnt like how he drowned his reactor but other than that he was great.

Goblin was a corny power ranger,and Tobeys voice is too damn squeaky!!! And MJ is pathetic in it.She acts more like Gwen than MJ.Oh shes says tiger a couple of times...........big deal Raimi that doesnt make her MJ.

Thank you spider-venom,well said.the movies are crap and always will be as long as sony as producing them.They got to get some other movie company to remake and produce spider-man in the future hopefuly before I am an old man because sony clearly has ruined everything about spider-man.Like you said and as I have pointed out,its a LOT more than just organics that screwed up these movies and if people like black cat dont want to hear us critisise these stupid movies they love so much she should not read my posts because thats what this site is for is to criticise movies if you so desire.Yeah Im not the only one who feels this way obviously since you and endenkton obviously hate these movies as well.

Your right Endenkton that doc ock became evil after his accident,but the thing is before the accident,he was never a nice guy,he wasnt evil but he was an arrogant prick and that was not shown in the movie and he wasnt manipulated by a chip in his neck,it was the explosion that warped his mind and made him evil.Yeah goblin was a power ranger or an alien from outer space and like you said,so mj said tiger a couple times.Big freaking deal,thats about the only thing she did to make her anything like mj.most the time she was acting like Gwen Stacy in both films and nothing at all like the airheaded flakey stuck up girl she was in the comics.Like I said,there were things I did not like about the 90's cartoon show because they also screwed up MJ's character making her more like gwen stacy and nothing like mj except the tiger thing,but at least in the cartoon she had her aunt anna she was living with and not her parents for god sakes.sony and raimi clearly have ruined the spiderman franchise,the cartoon show was a MUCH better adaptation.some people here like black cat dont care how sony butchers the character of spider-man to death though,all they care about is seeing a guy in a spiderman outfit with the name spiderman on the screen,they'll accept any kind of spiderman movie no matter how awful it is.I also have come across many people I know who were out raged about what sony had done with these movies as well.

MJ wont be done properly.......nay Spider-Man wont be done properly til Sam Raimi gets the sack!!!!

and also till someone else besides sony produces these films.Sony more than anything has ruined spider-man.They were the ones who insisted on organics despite the fact spider-man's creater Stan Lee said he did not like the idea of organics and did not like the green goblin costume either.But even though he was an exexcutive producer of the movie,he did not have any control over what sony did because marvel sold their rights to sony and he has said that he has very little input in what they do to the movie.His title of producer only means that he helped finance the movie,nothing else.Like I said,they need to get the spider-man franchise out of sonys hands and remake it in the future before we ever get a good spider-man movie made. 😠

Who else besides Sony should do it? Not Warner Bros anyway.

I dont care,just as long as its not sony.anybody but them.maybe MJM or someone like that.

You mean MGM? Yeah they are good.Or Universal too.

Yeah my mistake.I meant MGM.

i have a question what do all of you that hate the movie think of the ultimate spiderman? shouldnt you equally hate that? that different to the original series so doesnt that qualify as untrue? my point is.. does it really matter how true to the story it is? spiderman is a good concept, but i dont think we should be laying down laws that it must be recreated in exactly the same way.... ive read the comics.. i know how the story goes.... sony is giving us something a little different.. and therefore more interesting to watch. you seriously let it annoy you to much.

The organics are stupid because their is no logical reason for the webbing to shoot out of his wrists,logically and realistically the webbing would shoot out of his ass if he had organics.

ok ive gathered so far that this is the only real reason you dislike the movies is because you have this thing about organic webbing. NOW you do have to go and make it difficult to take anything you say seriously when you start talking about the LOGIC of it all! i dont really need to explain myself here.

besides i think organic webbing is much better.... i mean you dont complain when the sandman turns to sand... i mean he is the sandman.... so why cant a spiderman shoot web.. like a spider does? and dont bring up all that 'ass' stuff as just stated we are talking about fiction here.. does it matter if its technically incorrect?

Man just think how great he really would have been if he had the right green goblin costume.

ok i agree... but seriously try and work it out a sec? how the hell are they gonna give him a mask that can move its lips and facial expressions?.. you talk about the logic of it all.... is that logical? it isnt even plausible! sure the design they did use in the end was a bit poop but they gave it a a good explanation... being the glider suit.

sadly,the best adaptation to the screen so far for spiderman is the 90's toon.As I have said before,I was dissapointed with what they did with that cartoon as well making stupid mistakes like not including Gwen stacy in the show or betty brant and having almost all the episodes revolve around the kingpin having his major villians like doc ock and green goblin being lackeys working for kingpin.That sucked.The show got progressively worse as it went along with stupid storys but the first season that show had some great episodes and the first seasons episodes are by far better than either movie.at least on that show we see his true character spider-man,the guy with mechanical webshooters,not man-spider like we see in these horrible films.

this made me laugh so much, you actually gave more reasons to dislike this than the movie... and yet you still prefer it!..... it is all just down to the organic webbing with you isnt it? the films could be terrible as far as you are concerned..as long as he has web shooters!

He does a good acting job as Peter Parker but he is totally wrong for the role because his voice makes me cringe when he talks.For spidey,you got to have someone who has a greta voice and tobey does not.Thats what was great about the 90's toon was the guy who did the voice for spidey WAS spidey.He had a great voice and thats what made that show great.Tobeys voice is so wrong especially for spider-man.

ok im not sure on this one. but i know Tobey played a good peter parker, he pulled off a geek really well. i think the trouble is that finding somebody who can play hero and geek equally well. the guy from the series wasnt quite geeky enough for my liking.

ya just shut up becuase dude its not just the organics its everything, the movies are crap and always will be;as i say again, Mr Parker is right. And dont say your sick of him saying that becuase hes speaken his mind ....and thats allowed... thats what forums are for, and trust me hes not the only one who feels this way about the movies, i know a whole bunch of other people whol feel the same way, were right you guys are wrong

you dont make sense at all! one minute you are telling us to shut up, then you saying its ok to speak your mind coz thats what forums are for, and then you are back to saying that everybody is wrong but you? whats it to be? as far as im concerned you just completely obliterated your statement!

i will also say AGAIN that its not about wrong or right... coz theres no wrong or right in opinions.. OK!

I also have come across many people I know who were out raged about what sony had done with these movies as well.

and i know plenty who love them!

anyway. im happy with sony carrying on with the films, i know they could be better.. but im happy with them as they are!

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Hey, mr parker, eckleton and spider venom are right. That stupid man spider franchise by sonny should be ended since the first movie. And those are the reasons:

bad films: ok, the second one is better than the first one, but it isnt really a merit. The fist one was a total crap with bad acting and bad script. The second one has a better script in some parts but is far to be a good film, only a mediocre one.

Organics: A total stupid change. So, not only the good stories from the comic about the out of webing are missing, that makes of him a man spider, a total freak. Plus, the excuse of changing is a total joke, so a guy creating his fluid isnt real in a comic book movie about superheros and supervillains? For not talking that his web should be in his ass , not in his wrists, as the spiders are.

Spidey not funny at all: ok, two jokes in the first one film and two jokes in the second one. But it isnt enough for a character as spidey, who is doing jokes all the time in the comics, specially in his fights. What is the reason for changing it?

A total ruin for the characters: Except jameson and aunt may, the other characters are craps in the movie. Franco is too insipid as harry osborn and his role doesnt care in the movies. Mary jane is a clone of gwen stacey. Doc ock is a good guy who is manipulated by his evil tentacles and turns good again at the end. The green goblin is a power ranger alien who doesnt movie his mouth when he is talking.

To resume it , a total crap and a garbage as a franchise , and it should be ended in the first film. Thanks amy, for stop that ridiculous man spider franchise.

And one thing more, the burton movies sucked as big as the shumacher movies. For one or another reason all the batman movies sucked. And michael Keaton is a total joke as batman, not only that he doesnt look anything as bruce wayne, he was a total wuss acting like an idiot who doesnt remember the places in his own house all the movies. For not talking that batman kills people, is a supporting characters, is a bad fighter, etc, etc. Another crap franchise.

bakerboy you were just repeating what other people had already said, you might as well have just said you agree with them and save me the time of reading your reply! plus you failed to read my last post as you brought up stuff that make some of your statements sound completely idiotic and ignorant!

the only point i will give you credit for is the point about the jokes.. i hadnt really thought about this fact... but its still not enough to sway my opinion!

which reminds me as a RECAP to all you idiots who keep using the words 'wrong' and 'right'.. THESE ARE OPINIONS.. NOBODY IS WRONG OR RIGHT! UNDERSTAND THIS AND THEN POST!

i think the most important thing to acknowledge.. if you view these films simply as a tribute to the comics and not as an exact likeness you might enjoy them more! If you are a true fan of the comics you will know the story already... so whats the point in watching something identical to it in every detail?

well i defenatly know there will be a spider man 3
but i dont know about a spider man 4 well if you guys find
out more please tell me i am a big fan of spider man so please write back

Lets see , tomhopeparry, the only idiotic staments here are from your part, because could you explain to me where on hell have i said that i want to see all the things exactly as in the comics? Very good that you did an effort reading my post, but by the way, you didnt read it well or you have some understanding problems because i didnt say it in any part. To see all the things exactly as in the comics would be stupid, that is very clear. But doing stupid changes without any valid reason is even more stupid. And that thing is valid for both franchises, man spider and bat dwarf.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
I dont care,just as long as its not sony.anybody but them.maybe MJM or someone like that.

MGM was bought. By Sony. So you're shit out of luck.

Spider-venom, don't tell me to shut up, I'm voicing my opinion jut like Mr Parker is, like you said. There is no right or wrong opinion, both of our's count.