HULK vs.Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Never
Do not recall stating that Wonder Woman can beat the Hulk - and in the event you are actually referencing any statement I did make, mind quoting it for me? I challenged our resident hostile ignoramus to provide a scenario wherein Hulk would stomp Wonder Woman considering her strength, speed, warrior training, and weapons. Ignoramuses fare not well in neither logic nor creative thinking, of course.

I'm not quoting you, i'm merely stating that if you reread the entire thread, you will see where people have stated that WW would beat up the hulk. Regardless of reasons, I just cant accept that. I guess my opinion is in the minority. As for a scenario,,,,how about The Hulk wraps his hand around WW's skull and squeezes. Not a very good scenario mind you, but thats how I see it.

Wonder Woman, "second rate character?" LoL, in what sense?

Again, mostly my opinion, but hasent she had like three or four cancelled series before? If not I apologize. I guess I just never cared for her and calling her second rate my have been unfair, but when I was a kid, you couldnt even get the neighboorhood girls to be WW. They would pick Robin beofre her. Thought that was funny. Also, what happened to her that caused her the ability of flight. I never did know that (damn invisible jets)?

Could Hulk defeat The Flash, for example? Hell, can Hulk defeat Quicksilver? Aurora? Northstar? Impulse? How does Hulk fare against speedsters?

One punch is all it would take. Maybe the Hulk wouldnt be able to get that one punch in, but what could these characters do to actually defeat him. Please dont give me something like the Flash would vibrate so fast and put his hand inside the Hulks skull and ,,,,blah, blah, blah. If this is the case then the Flash is actually close enough and has stood still long enough to get smacked. The only person with super speed that I can personally remember him fighting would be the Silver Surfer and we all know that the Surfer would rather get is butt handed to him then use his speed for some reason.

Re: Batman with prep time, this is common knowledge. He is simply capable of devising the means to defeat - or, at the very least, "neutralize" - nigh any foe, GIVEN PREP TIME. Have you not read, for example, the "Tower of Babel" story arc? This is yet another testament to his tactical genius.

Sorry, IMO this is DC's copout for Batman. Given time he can beat anybody? Bullsh!t. I guess this is DC's reason for keeping their cash cow with very limited power around. Whatever. Again, this my opinion and I dont want anybody to take it literally.

Originally posted by tkitna

Sorry, IMO this is DC's copout for Batman. Given time he can beat anybody? Bullsh!t. I guess this is DC's reason for keeping their cash cow with very limited power around. Whatever. Again, this my opinion and I dont want anybody to take it literally.

So even though it's demonstratably true that he can beat almost anyone with enopugh preparation time, and has in fact been demonstrated over and over and over and over, the idea bullsh*t? I find that ... interesting.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say we shouldn't take your opinion literally. I'm not offended, if that's what you mean, but I am quite certain that you're wrong on this one.

p.s. Wonder Woman is second rate because she's had several canceled series? Then Batman--with four live-action movies, numerous comic series dedicated to him, one live-action show, one popular cartoon show, three cartoon movies, a spin-off cartoon, several animated movies based on that spin-off cartoon, and a number of novels written about him--must be one of the most first-rate characters in the DCU, right? Maybe not quite as first-rate as Superman, but certainly a close second.

Cash cow? Not just any cash cow! The greatest, cleverest, most prepared cash cow the world has ever seen! 😎

>>I'm not quoting you, i'm merely stating that if you reread the entire thread, you will see where people have stated that WW would beat up the hulk.<<<

Understood. Considering some of the other stillborn attempts at debating potential vs. battles in a logical manner, I had to be certain, hence my asking for clarification.

>>Again, mostly my opinion, but hasent she had like three or four cancelled series before?<<

Was not certain if you were referencing her abilities as "second rate" or her comic book. I agree on the latter; will agree to disagree on the former.

>>>Maybe the Hulk wouldnt be able to get that one punch in, but what could these characters do to actually defeat him.<<<

Precisely - Hulk could not hit The Flash, for example - but Flash could conceivably knock out Hulk with one punch. Quicksilver, no; simply cannot run at the speed necessary to generate sufficient force. Flash can zip around the Hulk and not worry about being touched. He is that quick/fast, and then some.

>>Sorry, IMO this is DC's copout for Batman. Given time he can beat anybody?<<

*shrug* Not sure how else to explain it. Not uncommon in comics, however. Consider Darkseid with prep time. Thanos. Hell, Black Panther with prep time downs Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Gregory
So even though it's demonstratably true that he can beat almost anyone with enopugh preparation time, and has in fact been demonstrated over and over and over and over, the idea bullsh*t? I find that ... interesting.

Well the premise that i'm looking at is this, according to everything i've read that people have said,,,,,,give ample time,,, Batman is the most powerful superhero in ANY universe. Uh Oh,,,,Darksieds just gone mad. Tell Batman to take 20 minutes and handle the situation. Wait a minute, Superman lost his mind and just destroyed half the earth,,,,,,,but thank god Batman has his kryptonite ring (that concepts gay by the way) even though without it, superman could take batmans head off with a flick of his pinky. Where does it end?

I'm not sure what you mean when you say we shouldn't take your opinion literally. I'm not offended, if that's what you mean, but I am quite certain that you're wrong on this one.

Yeah, I really just dont want to argue and fight about something as small as superheros. If you think i'm wrong,,,,thats cool by me. Heck, I know i'm wrong a good bit, its just that we all have opinions. lets keep the conversations healthy.

p.s. Wonder Woman is second rate because she's had several canceled series? Then Batman--with four live-action movies, numerous comic series dedicated to him, one live-action show, one popular cartoon show, three cartoon movies, a spin-off cartoon, several animated movies based on that spin-off cartoon, and a number of novels written about him--must be one of the most first-rate characters in the DCU, right? Maybe not quite as first-rate as Superman, but certainly a close second.

Batmans not only the most first rate hero in the DC universe, he's probably got the title sewed up with any universe. As 'The Batman' stated above me, Batman is tops when it comes to a cash cow. Why? Hes interesting. I like some off the wall heros (Wonder Man, Blue Diamond, Sleepwalker) but they cant support their own series because they're not interesting enough. I feel the same way with Wonder Woman. She is mainstream though and her book is probably doing well for all I know, but I dont think I could ever get into her.

Originally posted by Never

>>Sorry, IMO this is DC's copout for Batman. Given time he can beat anybody?<<

*shrug* Not sure how else to explain it. Not uncommon in comics, however. Consider Darkseid with prep time. Thanos. Hell, Black Panther with prep time downs Juggernaut.

We can look at this in another way. Why dont villians ever win with considerable prep time? Sure, they get the short term victories, but in the long run, they always lose. You would think that Doctor Doom would be able to get his goals accomplished if given enough time or Doc Ock being able to kill Spiderman eventually. They're smart people. Who knows!

They're impatient. Their anger blinds them and keeps them from acheiving their true potential. The Batman keeps his emotions in check and makes his plans with a clear mind.

Okay, that's a big-ass cop-out, but that's the likely comic story rationale behind the disparity of the results of plans made by brilliant villains and the Batman.

Originally posted by tkitna
You would think that Doctor Doom would be able to get his goals accomplished if given enough time or Doc Ock being able to kill Spiderman eventually. They're smart people. Who knows!

True. I do know that Thanos unconsciously wills his demise. Luthor came damn close in the Rock of Ages story arc (Grant Morrison is soooo the shit). Doom, as you pointed out, is another who should conceivably layeth the smackdown on many a superhero.

Brainiac and Luthor did for a bit in Dark Knight Strikes Back as well. Hell, the more I think about it many, many villains should - apparently it is against the comic book code or something 🙁

"Good always triumphs over evil..." You know the cliché.

that is the thing i liked about chaos comics
Espesially Evil Ernie, He is the Master of the Death
and he has an Undead army conquering the US 🙂
What more do ya want 🙂

and thats way off topic =)

Originally posted by Never
True. I do know that Thanos unconsciously wills his demise. Luthor came damn close in the Rock of Ages story arc (Grant Morrison is soooo the shit). Doom, as you pointed out, is another who should conceivably layeth the smackdown on many a superhero.

Brainiac and Luthor did for a bit in Dark Knight Strikes Back as well. Hell, the more I think about it many, many villains should - apparently it is against the comic book code or something 🙁

"Good always triumphs over evil..." You know the cliché.

I agree with everything you just said. I realize that the villians cant be out there stomping on the heros (kind of defeats the purpose of buying your favorite heros books) but I think we all know that in a perfect world,,,,some of our heros would get whopped on.

Originally posted by The Batman
I don't know what's worse. Having a pansy-ass, self-righteous, immature, stuck-up moderator with no ability to think or argue ban me for a month for not backing down, or finding myself wishing the prissy little sissy would deign to visit the Comic Books Movies Discussion board once in a while and say something when a member significantly more hostile than I won't shut up. No justice. Not even on a superhero forum.

Lord R, you know it looks bad to have a raging product of child abuse (and gamma radiation) beating a woman into submission. In a story, for the purposes of the story, Wonder Woman would win or leave it at a stalemate. Realistically, not so much.

Originally posted by eleveninches
Yeah, but how is the hulk ever going to get anywhere close to hitting her when she is in a completely sererate universe

Originally posted by Lord Ryugen
I persume you're talking to me Batman. Well yeah you've got a point no one would write that kind of story but still I stand by my choice

I hope you know, only the second part of that post was aimed at you. Don't worry about the first part. And you're right to stand by your choice. Just don't expect to see it happen that simply in a comic. They like to shake things up by 1) thwoing the unexpected at you, and 2) having various people defeat the Hulk as a measure of how cool they are.

. Just don't expect to see it happen that simply in a comic. They like to shake things up by 1) thwoing the unexpected at you, and 2) having various people defeat the Hulk as a measure of how cool they are. [/B][/QUOTE]

So true.They love their suprise victories these comic book writers.

Originally posted by The Batman
I hope you know, only the second part of that post was aimed at you. Don't worry about the first part. And you're right to stand by your choice. Just don't expect to see it happen that simply in a comic. They like to shake things up by 1) thwoing the unexpected at you, and 2) having various people defeat the Hulk as a measure of how cool they are.

maybe the Hulk can get mad.Wonder Woman can tight her rope against the Hulk.

That would be the ultimate mistake. Once WW lasoo's the Hulk He'll just pull her down and introduce her face to his fist.

The Hulk can smash WW.if the Hulk get mad.

Asian hulk u scare me 😛

Originally posted by Lord Ryugen
That would be the ultimate mistake. Once WW lasoo's the Hulk He'll just pull her down and introduce her face to his fist.

WW is second to Superman in strength. Who is pulling whom?