-=- What If Clinton was Still In Office -=-

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Dude... he was about two inches away from getting the Israelis and Palestinians to stop fighting. And about the economy, I don't know what you're talking about. The president is not totally powerless when it comes to the economy. This is why we see Kerry and Bush arguing about tax cuts during the debates. Believe it or not, taxes have a direct effect on the amount of money the government has! 😱 And more money for the government means more money to spend on public programs, which means more money for schools! 😱 Holy shit, I think we're really onto something here!

TWO INCHES!!!!!!!!!!!! 😱 do you not know that the handshake that the two parties took part in was completely forced!!!!!!!! 😱 afterwards they looked at eachother disgustingly and walked away 😱

😱 can't pass a taxe cut without Congress 😱 did you know that the President can't even directly suggest a single bill without a congressional member authering it? 😱

Originally posted by Darth Revan
I beg to differ... The Patriot Act allows police to search people's homes WITHOUT a warrant. (I think... I'll clarify that in a second) I am fairly sure they can also arrest people without a warrant. The first time I really opened my eyes to how dangerous this thing is was just recently, when I found out about a guy named Sherman Austin who was arrested for having a link to very vague, general information about explosives on his site. This is information that can be found almost anywhere on the internet, on quite a few other American sites. Even on some white supremacy sites, which actually DO practice violent crimes from time to time. Problem with his site was, it was an "anarchist" site. I've visited it a few times though, and it really wasn't anything harmful. Nobody was saying "let's go throw molotov cocktails at the white house!" or anything along those lines. There was a page about guerilla warfare, and that too, was just general, historical information that could be found anywhere. It even had a disclaimer of sorts at the bottom saying that this was not intended for people to actually create a guerilla band or anything. But a couple years ago, the cops busted into Sherman's house with M-16's, stole his computer, and left. No big deal at first, the site stayed on the net, and I think he was issued a fine or something. Then, just recently, he was arrested at a nonviolent protest in New York. He was sentenced to a good deal of jailtime (don't remember exactly how long, but it was a few years at least) for doing basically what Americans are, or were, encouraged to do. Exercise our freedom of speech. Yet he was labelled a terrorist. Just a month or so ago, the site was shut down entirely. So basically, the Patriot Act gives the government the right to be watching every move you make, interpret it however they want, call you a terrorist, arrest you without a warrant, and throw you in jail without telling you how long you'll be there, or allowing you to see or call anybody. Scary stuff.

Raisethefist.com was his site... He just got out of prison and entered a half way house. I'd been to his site too. Yeah... the patriot act is a bunch of gestapo style bullshit. A free country needs to have free presses if they are going to be really free.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
And perhaps your government is not telling you everything. There is nothing wrong with arresting people who throw bombs into a crowd, warrant or no. But this guy hadn't done anything harmful. To start with, the information about explosives was not on his site. He had not written it, therefore should never have been held accountable for it in the first place. And as I said before, there are hundreds of sites on the web that have exactly the same thing. None of which this kind of thing has happened to. Protesting an organization or anything else peacefully is not, or was not at one point, illegal in this country. Nor, obviously, is having general information about explosives on a website. If that were illegal, there would be hundreds of other people in jail right now for the same thing. Believe it or not, the media doesn't tell you everything, nor is everything the media tells you true.

I know for a fact the government doesn't tell me everything because if i knew everything they did that means the enemy would to 😱 and if you didn't notice the enemy is really good at what they do 😱 Believe me.... if such a infraction of rights was actually undertaken every social liberty group on earth would never shut up about it therefore causing media coverage.

Why the hell would anyone need guerilla tactics and bomb making in the bloody first place 😱 .... no one stands a chance against federal infantry to strat off 😂

Originally posted by Turbo-Cajun
Raisethefist.com was his site... He just got out of prison and entered a half way house. I'd been to his site too. Yeah... the patriot act is a bunch of gestapo style bullshit. A free country needs to have free presses if they are going to be really free.

yes. freedom is very important. and there are no buts. our enemy however is very similar to facist and therefore is able to use our freedoms against us. moving in and out easily... in order to preserve our freedom, considering if we were attacked again the government would never hear the end of it.... 🙄 , we have to corner tose who would use our freedom against us by doing something out of character.

How would you suggest the government to go about capturing the enemy? do you have a better way?

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
TWO INCHES!!!!!!!!!!!! 😱 do you not know that the handshake that the two parties took part in was completely forced!!!!!!!! 😱 afterwards they looked at eachother disgustingly and walked away 😱

😱 can't pass a taxe cut without Congress 😱 did you know that the President can't even directly suggest a single bill without a congressional member authering it? 😱

Ahh, but that's where you're wrong. Congress passes the bills, and the president signs them into law. And the pres can suggest bills, and override Congress's vetoes, or refuse to sign into law a bill he doesn't like.

😱 did you know that the President can't even directly suggest a single bill without a congressional member authering it? 😱

Did you know that the President CAN directly suggest bills? but thats only after he submits a first draft written in crayon. Because thats how he does his best work. In crayon.

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
Ahh, but that's where you're wrong. Congress passes the bills, and the president signs them into law. And the pres can suggest bills, and override Congress's vetoes, or refuse to sign into law a bill he doesn't like.

All bills must originate in the Senate and be approved by the house. The president has a veto power that must either deny or fully support a bill.... he cannot edit or create any form of bill. Congress in turn can over turn a veto with 2/3rds vote. in the end Congress has absolute power which can only be overiden by the supreme court which can declare a bill unconstitutional and must then be enforced by the president... but in turn can be kicked out of office by congress... but infact in the end the people have the true power because the final step is a majority vote by the population of every state.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
All bills must originate in the Senate and be approved by the house. The president has a veto power that must either deny or fully support a bill.... he cannot edit or create any form of bill. Congress in turn can over turn a veto with 2/3rds vote. in the end Congress has absolute power which can only be overiden by the supreme court which can declare a bill unconstitutional and must then be enforced by the president... but in turn can be kicked out of office by congress... but infact in the end the people have the true power because the final step is a majority vote by the population of every state.

He CAN suggest them, though. What do you think he's doing in suggesting an amendment outlawing gay marriage?

And it's not a majority vote of every state, 75% of states must pass it...and that's only for constitutional amendments, not ordinary laws.

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
He CAN suggest them, though. What do you think he's doing in suggesting an amendment outlawing gay marriage?

And it's not a majority vote of every state, 75% of states must pass it...and that's only for constitutional amendments, not ordinary laws.

he can suggest to a congressional member to author it 😛

yes 3/4 for constitutional amendment but 2/3 for extreme circamstances for ordinary laws 😛

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
He CAN suggest them, though. What do you think he's doing in suggesting an amendment outlawing gay marriage?

And it's not a majority vote of every state, 75% of states must pass it...and that's only for constitutional amendments, not ordinary laws.

Like i said, crayon comes first.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
he can suggest to a congressional member to author it 😛

yes 3/4 for constitutional amendment but 2/3 for extreme circamstances for ordinary laws 😛

Exactly, meaning he can suggest a bill.

For an ordinary bill to become law, first it is drafted by a congressman. Then it goes into commitee in the House. Then the House votes on it, and if it passes with a majority vote, it goes to the Senate. It goes into commitee again, and then the Senate votes and once again it must pass with a majority vote. THEN, it goes to the president's desk to be signed into law or thrown out. That's how an ordinary law is drafted.

For a constitutional amendment, it has to be passed by a 2/3 vote by BOTH the House and Senate, and then be ratified by 38 (or 75%) of the states before it can be signed into law.

I had these drilled into my brain last year during government class ✅

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
Exactly, meaning he can suggest a bill.

For an ordinary bill to become law, first it is drafted by a congressman. Then it goes into commitee in the House. Then the House votes on it, and if it passes with a majority vote, it goes to the Senate. It goes into commitee again, and then the Senate votes and once again it must pass with a majority vote. THEN, it goes to the president's desk to be signed into law or thrown out. That's how an ordinary law is drafted.

For a constitutional amendment, it has to be passed by a 2/3 vote by BOTH the House and Senate, and then be ratified by 38 (or 75%) of the states before it can be signed into law.

I had these drilled into my brain last year during government class ✅

suggesting and authoring are two different things 😛 he must have a willing member of his party and the bill must survive the porkbarreling process 😂

😛 me to 😛 but mainly in AP US 11th grade 😛

yawn srry everyone but i gotta turn in yawn so don't think i am just ignoring you posts 😛 not that you would think that 😛

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
suggesting and authoring are two different things 😛 he must have a willing member of his party and the bill must survive the porkbarreling process 😂

😛 me to 😛 but mainly in AP US 11th grade 😛

I never said suggesting and authoring were the same thing, you implied it. And I think something like 90% of bills die in commitee.

My government class last year was full of idiots...I think I was the only intelligent person in the class...so my teacher was very repetetive to make sure everyone understood. Needless to say I remembered EVERYTHING in that class.

Originally posted by Silver Stardust
I never said suggesting and authoring were the same thing, you implied it. And I think something like 90% of bills die in commitee.

My government class last year was full of idiots...I think I was the only intelligent person in the class...so my teacher was very repetetive to make sure everyone understood. Needless to say I remembered EVERYTHING in that class.

yawn i think it was more like 98% 😂

😛 we were AP and we got lower scores the the general ed classes hysterical

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
yawn i think it was more like 98% 😂

😛 we were AP and we got lower scores the the general ed classes hysterical

Meh, couldn't remember the exact number, just that it was really high...

I WISH I had taken AP, the rest of my class was so painfully stupid...they were like monkeys...