Lobo Vs Juggernaut

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Actually that's stupid. There is absolutely no anticipation and excitement from reading a character like that. Lobo is completely one-dimensional and the only reason he's so powerful is because Heaven and Hell don't want him *stupid concept, Hell would take anyone.* Juggernaut would destroy Lobo if not for that asinine plotline. He'd still rip him apart, and eventually Lobo would get the picture that there's no point continuing the fight.

You don't seem to understand the concept of a parody(he's a parody of Wolverine). Or of a character who is ment to be completely unrealistic. You can't take Lobo seriously if you're going to read his character.

Lobo has Superman-level strength(40,000 tons), a healing factor, is durable as ****, and is immortal. AND he has a blatant disregard for any life whatsoever. I love this guy.

This is him in Heaven, punching a guard's skull in half.

Just...beautiful. *tear*

When this character is pitted against serious *for comic books* characters, he is meant to be taken seriously, ergo he is not simply a 'parody.' Furthermore, parodies are generally amusing, Lobo is in no way amusing to a mature and intelligent reader. As for his Superman-strength, Superman is capable of lifting upwards of 6 million tons *at least old Superman* so that's nowhere close.

No, Lobo isn't amusing to those with a stick up their ass. Lobo isn't amusing to those without a good sense of humor. A twisted sense of humor. Get a sense of humor, man. I know plenty of mature and intelligent people who love Lobo, because they have a good sense of humor.

and when I said 40,000 tons, I meant Superman. And I never said that was his limit anyway, it's his average. Superman has been shown to move/lift way more than 40,000 tons.

I have a sense of humor. I find Spider-Man funny. Hell I even find Deadpool funny. Lobo's not funny. That is obviously a subjective view, so there's no point in arguing it, but he is meant to be taken seriously when he's put up against Superman and not beaten senseless. Immortal or not, you can still get beaten.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
When this character is pitted against serious *for comic books* characters, he is meant to be taken seriously, ergo he is not simply a 'parody.'

I don't like Lobo (too strong, even for a comic character), but I can admit he actually CAN be funny from time to time. But he's soooo exaggerated... (and no, he ain't a parody anymore).

You know that Lobo was introduced in Omega Men, right? From the very beginning, he was interacting with serious characters from DC. By your logic, Lobo was never a parody, even though his creators clearly stated that he was.

Juggernaut would crush him. Then after getting bored he'd go start something with the X-men

I don't really find what Lobo does funny but I laugh at his concept. They give him the "stupidly powerful" awknowledgement that they refuse to give Superman.

Lobo is comedy for those who find things that are ridiculously exaggerated, funny. If you're super serious about comic books, and think that they should all be serious works of literature, then no, you won't find Lobo funny.

And yes, Lobo is still a parody. Lobo was created as a parody, and has stayed a parody. Just because you pit a comedic character against a serious character, that doesn't change what the character was based upon. That's like saying when you pit Deadpool up against Wolverine, Deadpool isn't supposed to crack jokes.

Gregory is right by the way, Lobo made his first appearance in OmegaMan, back in 1983.

wow i really need to catch up with my lobo reading can someone give me names of comics they recommend, preferably tpbs? any help would be great.

Lobo, Vol. 1, #1-4 (The Last Czarnian) [11/90 - 2/91]

Lobo's Back #1-4 [5/92, 6/92, 10/92, 11/92]

Lobo: Infanticide #1-4 [10/92 - 1/93]

Lobo Unbound #1-6 [6/03-11/03]

The Lobo Paramilitary Christmas Special #1 [12/91]

I've posted my favorite, but a complete list is at http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Labyrinth/5178/Lobo-FAFQ.html#Appear

People seem to mistake actual facts for stated claims. The writers can claim whatever they like. Writers often claim things that are not necessarily true. Their intentions may have been to make Lobo a parody, but when Lobo is put in serious storylines, he is no longer a parody. The very definition of the word is changed, and that is what matters, not what the writers claim. If the writers had continued to keep Lobo as a parody, then they would not have created the plotlines and placed him in the scenarios in which they did. That's just the way it is; funny or not is subjective, but what is objective is the fact that he is meant to be taken as a serious character when included in serious storylines.

And of course I do not take comic books as serious works of literature, but when Deadpool cracks jokes, he is doing so as a human character with serious strengths and weaknesses. He is not meant to be a lame-Superman/Wolverine rip-off *regardless of your respect for the character, he cannot truly be viewed as anything different* who can't die because Hell won't take him. That is absurd and not amusing in the least. If Lobo were a solo character with no ties or relations whatsoever to other characters in the DC universe, that would be different.

It's amusing BECAUSE it's absurd!

Some people just don't get it.

Putting a parody in a serious situation does NOT change the fact that he is a parody. Lobo is a comedic character, and when you take away the outrageous aspect of his persona, it isn't effective anymore. If you notice, the other characters in the DC universe don't respect him and don't take him seriously. The serious characters stay serious, and the comedic characters stay comedic. That's the whole point of them meeting, the personalities clash, and makes for an interesting story. Not neccesarily good, but interesting.

And it wasn't what the writers claim, it's what the creators created.

Comedic characters are different from parodies. The others don't have to take him seriously, but if Lobo is going toe-to-toe with Superman and is holding his own, the character is intended to be taken seriously. Not his personality, but his overall character. There's nothing wrong with him being an absurd character, there is something wrong with him being so absurd that his body is ripped in half and he isn't fazed in the least. That's just asinine.

lobo is a ridiculously kick ass character imo, everytime i read a comic of him its just crazy like having a bowl of bullets coming out of your skull or moving around with a stump for a waist trying to get your torn off legs and taking them to who knows where on your souped up space-chopper

of course comic's are just that, but theres a reason why there isnt an archie vs. nate grey thread (but there probably will be -_-)

There is no reason why a parody character shouldn't interact with a serious character. You keep saying there is, but you're wrong--or at least, you haven't given us a reason, other than "wrathofachilles says so."

You both have strong arguments, now shake hands and get back to the topic.

ummm I think ur all for getting that juggy is way less durable then he use to be rember he lost a lot of his power so I go with lobo

i think it'll be a long fight till juggernaut groes old and dies (if he could even age)...maybe lobo met cyttorak and beat the crap out of him too lol

i'm j/k of course, but theres nothing wrong with a parody character interacting with a serious character, its happened a few times and it really isnt bad, like howard the duck with generationX and silver surfer, or bone and spawn