Yeah, obviously they do, but it's not fair to make the rest of the class sit there doing nothing for fifteen minutes while the religious kids pray.
Christ, that's the lamest thing I've heard in a long time. If a kid is religious and wants to pray, he can do so on his own time, during lunch or passing time or something. If my principal told the class to sit and pray for that long, I'd leave the room.
Originally posted by Frosty Beverage
i dont see how its wrong, if america is a "free country", then why cant we pray to our gods? i'm a christian, who are people to deny us our rights?
We're denying you the "right" to force your religious beliefs on others (a right I'm damn sure you won't find in the Constitution).
Ive always believed this, and I'll say it again. "State and church should be seperate!!!"
In my primary school, we were forced to sing religious hymn type songs and I still disagree with it. Kids should go to church for religion. THey go to school to be educated, not to have the beliefs of others forced upon them
Originally posted by Elastigirl
Anti-Woodrow Wilson
How can you be anti-Woodrow Wilson? You do realize that there is more to th eworld beyond the borders of our country, right? Anti-Woodrow Wilson..that's just silly.
And yes, Education is the forcing of ideals upon people. But the difference is that education is the dispensing of facts. That's why there is a debate right now about evolution v. creationism. To teach evolution to a student that believes in creationism is infringing on the rights of that family. However, science is fact, just like mathematics. And to futher the point, history is written by the victor.
To address prayer in school, no it shouldn't be allowed. If you want to learn creationism vs evolution or to be allowed to take time away from the entire class to pray, then that student needs to be in private school.
It's a fact that Dinosaurs lived on this planet, that most of them died out at the end of the Cretaceous period, and that mammals eventually became the dominate species type on the planet. These mammals eventually evolved into us.
That's real. It's fact. To assume that the planet is only 6000 years old is crazy. I've heard people say that "god put those fossils there and they're meant to test us, to make sure we have faith!" So, what, dinosaurs existed to amuse the children of the world? It's assanine.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
How can you be anti-Woodrow Wilson? You do realize that there is more to th eworld beyond the borders of our country, right? Anti-Woodrow Wilson..that's just silly.
Eh, Woodrow's first year in office, 1913, radically changed the US government.
1. Income Tax Amendment
2. Executive Powers Act
3. Direct Election of Senators Act
4. Encouragement of Judical Activism with the Constitutional Resolves
5. Federal Reserve Act
And his League of Nations/Treaty of Versailles screwed up the 20th Century big time. It helped give us the World War 2, it procted the Bolshevik Revolution (Commies) in Russia, Screwed up the Balkans and the Middle East, etc.
The treaty of Versailles started WW2, the league of Nations didn't. The US voted not to join it and as such it never really gained any power. If the US decided not to join an organization it thought up, then why would the rest of the world have any faith in said organization? Then, after WW2, the whole world, including the US, decided it was an idea worth going for in the form of the UN. Then, President Bush decided that the last 60 years of progress needed to be done away with and thumbed his nose at the international community that makes up the UN.
Originally posted by Frosty Beverage
i dont see how its wrong, if america is a "free country", then why cant we pray to our gods? i'm a christian, who are people to deny us our rights?
Well in Scotland, we have this priest dude that sometimes comes into assembly, and I think its unfair cos theres muslim kids and loads of non-christians who aren't warned so they can skip it. they have to sit there and get talked to about the Bible and watch everyone around them pray!
Originally posted by Elastigirl
Isn't that basically what all education is? To have the beliefs of your teachers and textbooks forced on you?
No. Using "beliefs" in this context is desceptive; if your teacher or text-book is teaching "beliefs" that are not in accordance with facts (or the current scholarship), then they're bad teachers and text books. I remember having a lot of facts forced on me in school, but never anybody's beliefs (my civics teacher would offer his personal opinion on a subject, sometimes, but only has his opinion).
How can you be anti-Woodrow Wilson? You do realize that there is more to th eworld beyond the borders of our country, right? Anti-Woodrow Wilson..that's just silly.
Among other things, Woodrow Wilson was an out-spoken racist.