umm....Sue didnt just protect herself from Galactus once, she has done it about four times at least. She has also defended the attacks of plenty of his heralds. Almost successfully defended against Doom with the power of a watcher enhanced by his own technology...Occulus, Hyperstorm, Annihilus, Terminus...all capable of releasing more destructive power than a herald....turning invisible and using her field at the same time?...that was a limitation back in the day...presently she can do it, but it causes her great strain.
Originally posted by Wynndar
umm....Sue didnt just protect herself from Galactus once, she has done it about four times at least. She has also defended the attacks of plenty of his heralds. Almost successfully defended against Doom with the power of a watcher enhanced by his own technology...Occulus, Hyperstorm, Annihilus, Terminus...all capable of releasing more destructive power than a herald....turning invisible and using her field at the same time?...that was a limitation back in the day...presently she can do it, but it causes her great strain.
if that's the case then sue is too powerful to be in meta... her powers elevate her beyond enhanced meta into herald level (since she can hold her own against heralds). i can't see how any other team in this tourny will be able to stand much of a chance against norrin's. she's even shielded against telepaths...
Originally posted by Evangel94
It seems like you guys like to over-exaggerate Sue and are just making speculations. She only has normal human durablity. Black Panther made easy work of her.Sue can't be invisible and use her forcefield. Keep in mind every character has an overexaggerated high end feat. Sue withstanding galactus. Wolverine withstanding a nuke. Hulk smashing a planet.. It doesn't mean that character can always do that.
lolol, that comic is so old, the F4 powers have been improved, since when human torch could do a nova blast, and hulk in the beginning only had the force of ten men, look at him now.
you may not like it, but there are comics proving that sue at the present time, can held against galactus, breake a celestial armor, and can protect herself about anything, including telepathy.
Originally posted by FrothByte
if that's the case then sue is too powerful to be in meta... her powers elevate her beyond enhanced meta into herald level (since she can hold her own against heralds). i can't see how any other team in this tourny will be able to stand much of a chance against norrin's. she's even shielded against telepaths...
she can only protect herself, against an herald level she would loose, sue cannot take down surfer, or morg, she only can protect herself from them during some time, she can´t hold a force field forever, this is being more complicated because i have a team bakcking her up. either way i asked what level she is before i choose her.
Sue's forcefield is pretty much there so she doesn't die, because if she uses it on someone else she's gotta be careful she doesn't get wailed on and die... and if she uses it on herself shes just not contributing anything to her team's side except... not dieing. Since she can't create bubbles inside of people, she's got little offensive capabilities at this point.
Originally posted by FrothByte
ok fine, i won't use telepathy on sue then. i have another idea, i just had to post it before i leave.nightcrawler is afraid to teleport into places he hasn't seen because of the risk that he might teleport into
a solid object. with this in mind, then he will be able to teleport himself directly into sue's occupied space,
killing them both instantly. two bodies occupying the same space will explode. with the sue gone, my team will
be free to fight and will tip the scales in my favor especially with cable's telepathy and morg's force fields.
nightcrawler's sacrifice will be worth it.
by the way frothbythe i also have a teleporter in my team, spawn could teleport to cable, just like nightcrawler. but like nakatu said it doesn´t seem it will work, so it doesn´t matter, and by the way i doubt the rulez would admit this since the teleporting member parts abilitie is not allowed. i actually was counting with it, thats one of the reasons that
make me choose iceman and sunfire.
just one more question, where did you find out that morg can protect others with a force field, i´m not sying he can´t i just didn´t knew it.
Originally posted by Evangel94
Sue Richards is enhanced meta. Therefore she cannot go past the enhanced meta limit. Iron Man is the upper limit in enhanced meta. Can Normal enhanced metas block galactus and destroy celestials? No. Not in my tournament. She's e.meta and thats her limit.
she didn´t destroy a celestial, she only broke a litlle bit of the armor (wynndar can explain this better then me). sue richards is a great defense period.
surfer is able to take down morg, cable can´t touch sue she is imunne to his telepathy and TK, and iron man will loose to spawn, the rest i already said how it would happen.
plus i have the territory advantage.
and krissy idea that if someone is capable of killing sue, surfer would be so mad, that he would destroy them all, it´s a great idea (to me off course), altough i don´t want sue to die.
im acualy going to vote for frothebyte. herse why
sue would be renderd usless because both cable and morg and do what she can do, and more.
morg would beat surfer, because he starts off giving his all, and surfer only beat morg after he killed nova (correct me if im wrong). so morg would be able to take out surfer before he had the chance to get real mad.
spawn would be a close fight for iron man, it could go either way, but cable could be fighting sue, and mentaly striking the whole other team at once, so that would give everyone an upperhand. GH hellfire would melt iceman. and the artic terrain. the street level one would be close, i dont know who would win there, but with both bats and cap would have awsome stratagies, but it would be to close
i say eventualy frothbyte via cable
i didn´t understand why melting iceman would beat him? since he controlls himself in liquid form. sue´s force fields can protect my team from telepathy.
and i think that when surfer beat morg, nova already was dead a long time ago (not interily sure).
and you forgott that i still have sunfire. trust me sunfire wouldn´t be quite waching my team fighting, and he can reach very high temperatures, much more higher the GR fire.