Captain America vs. Wolverine

Being a better strategist is about as helpful as being a better cook in a real fight unless you are fighting some moron with the mind of a child. Seriously what the hell is being a better tactician going to do?

Captain America: "Of course my superior tactical mind tells me to avoid Wolverine's claws. He'll never see that coming."

I need someone to tell me a strategy that will help Cap win this fight. His options are pretty much narrowed down to a) don't get hit b) hit Wolverine a lot c) wear Wolverine down and d) try to keep him off balance... wow those are helpful. They aren't playing chess for Christ sake its a fight; if Wolverine and Cap are placed in an Arena Wolverine will win 10 out of 10.

Oh yeah....how has Captain America's brains EVER helped him in a fight? eer

Wolverine wins because in the comics the guy in canda(the leader man of the army thing) said that logan your almost as tough as cap. This was Before the claws, so with it he wins

Originally posted by Max Spidey 24
Wolverine wins because in the comics the guy in canda(the leader man of the army thing) said that logan your almost as tough as cap. This was Before the claws, so with it he wins

Well then....if the "leader man of the army thing" says so........

It's a straight up fight Zahit; they aren't in the Batcave or near the edge of a cliff! What strategy will Cap use against some one who is his equal both physical and in fighting ability and also happens to have a extreme healing factor? Wolverine isn't the Scorpion, he isn't so stupid that his lack of intelligence can be exploited. So please tell me what Cap will do?

pressure points are a good start.
elektra used them on wolvie recently.
it worked.

p.s.
Captain America doesn't have a batcave.

Elektra got the jump on Wolverine, who was in the middle of a fight, mind controlled and was being kept alive by a machine five minutes earlier... I think its safe to say he was off his game. Wolverine and Cap are basically equal in fighting skill, Cap can't afford to attempt to use pressure points; besides the one time pressure points worked on Wolverine he was severely poisoned and trying to fight honorably.

The point of that Batcave is there aren't random things scattered about for Cap to use in battle, it is a straight up fight not a scenario battle.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Being a better strategist is about as helpful as being a better cook in a real fight unless you are fighting some moron with the mind of a child. Seriously what the hell is being a better tactician going to do?

Tactics? It has more to do with determining the most expeditious route to victory, I assume?

Captain America is routinely recognized as probably the finest non-meta h2h combatant in Marvel; Wolverine is not. Captain America is by far a better combatant, and how is Wolverine getting past that shield? As far as dodging Wolverine's claws, plenty of opponents do it.

then again, srankmissingnin, you think wolverine can take down godzilla.

Wolverine could beat Godzilla (hint: this is a battle where tactics are useful!)

Do either of you two read the comics or are you satisfied looking at the pretty pictures? Saying that Capitan America is by far a better fighter is moronic at best, Wolverine and Cap are considered equal in fighting skill (ouch you might need to read the comics do know that). Wolverine has pawned A list martial artist like Shang Chi and several of villains that Chi breaks even when fighting... Cap was stalemated by Iron Fist when Danny didn't use any chi ampage.

How will Wolverine get passed Caps shield? Because we all know a having a shield means you automatically block every attack thrown at you... no wait it doesn't. Maybe the same way Iron Fist, Baron Zemo, Lady Death Strike and Dare Devil do it?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine could beat Godzilla

i rest your case.

His healing factor will cancel out the radiation that Godzilla emits and a 300 foot Lizard isn't going to notice one person climbing up his scaly body. Once he gets to the ear it is a simple matter to kill Godzilla. Same reason Antman could beat Wolverine.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Do either of you two read the comics or are you satisfied looking at the pretty pictures? Saying that Capitan America is by far a better fighter is moronic at best, Wolverine and Cap are considered equal in fighting skill (ouch you might need to read the comics do know that). Wolverine has pawned A list martial artist like Shang Chi and several of villains that Chi breaks even when fighting... Cap was stalemated by Iron Fist when Danny didn't use any chi ampage.

How will Wolverine get passed Caps shield? Because we all know a having a shield means you automatically block every attack thrown at you... no wait it doesn't. Maybe the same way Iron Fist, Baron Zemo, Lady Death Strike and Dare Devil do it?

Read Wolverine since '82; Captain America, just as long. I guess it is equally moronic to assume that you know more about the characters than anyone else?

Wolverine and Captain American have never been considered equal in fighting skill. Ever.

Wolverine touching Shang Chi is laughable; all (or most) know shoddy writing when we see it, and are able to recognize aberrations when we as such (for example, Venom standing toe to toe with Juggernaut). Shang Chi, Iron Fist, Stick are considered to be the creme de la creme as far as martial artists are concerned in Marvel. Wolverine does not place that highly.

Speaking of being "stalemated," Punisher stalemated Wolverine. As did Sabretooth. Elektra defeated him. Lady Deathstrike sliced him up. Omega Red knocked him out. Daredevil dropped him with a simple karate chop. But that is beside the point.

Wolverine was not "off of his game" in Elektra vs. Wolverine -- she put him off of his game. Two sais through your lungs will do it every time. He was also not in the middle of any fight...this must be a different instance.

So you say DD and LD have done it -- we are discussing Wolverine. How will he?

Stick is marvel's best Martial artist (then that green chick who hangs with Thanos), Shang Chi and IF aren't even close to him. Cap and Wolverine are both better fights then either Shang Chi or Fist, however the dont have chi ampage.

Other then Redeemer (which I'm almost positive isn't in continuity) Wolverine had Elektra have tangled twice once when Wolverine lost touch with his human side (off his game) and when Wolverine was almost dead, mind controlled and in a fight (off his game).

I'm not sure what answer you are looking for in how Wolverine will hit Cap. He is skilled enough to land hits before Cap gets the shield in place to block them, same as DD and Lady Death Strike... do you want more specific?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Stick is marvel's best Martial artist (then that green chick who hangs with Thanos), Shang Chi and IF aren't even close to him. Cap and Wolverine are both better fights then either Shang Chi or Fist, however the dont have chi ampage.

Other then Redeemer (which I'm almost positive isn't in continuity) Wolverine had Elektra have tangled twice once when Wolverine lost touch with his human side (off his game) and when Wolverine was almost dead, mind controlled and in a fight (off his game).

I'm not sure what answer you are looking for in how Wolverine will hit Cap. He is skilled enough to land hits before Cap gets the shield in place to block them, same as DD and Lady Death Strike... do you want more specific?

Ok wait how are Cap and Wolverine better fighters then Shang chi and Iron fist. I've read the comics and i don't know what u have been reading but Iron Fist alone could hand wolverine his furry Canadian butt and lets not even begain to talk about Shang Chi thats a fight that the Cap and Wolverine can't win even combined.

Wolverine has beaten several of Shang Chi villians (one Shang struggles with) easily and he pawned Shang Chi, with out even using his claws after Shang attacted him. I beleive Zaran the weapon master even stated Wolverine was better then Shang Chi.

Ok just because wolvie beat up some people that somebody else was having a hard time beating doesn't mean sh*t. Hell u can watch mike tyson kiss someones a** twice and then lose the next time around and as for Zaran saying something thats Hearsay and not fact.

Stick is not Marvel's best martial artist -- that is opinion only. He is a combination martial artist/mysticist.

The "green chick" is Gamorra, and by placing her UNDER stick and above all else, you are leaving out Karnak and Moondragon (to name a very few). That is not accurate either.

Iron Fist is indeed considered to be amongst marvel's elite. Always has been. You cannot read one writer's interpretation of a character and consider that to be gospel. Where is the balance in that perspective?

Wolverine is not Shang Chi's peer, and most certainly is not superior. The same Wolverine who had his hands full with the Silver Samurai and was bleeding to death vs. Lady Deathstrike?

Daredevil and LD fight differently than Wolverine (and when did they defeat/touch up Captain America?), so why should he automatically be able to?

Lastly, Captain America has ALLLWAYS been characterized as that guy who always finds a way. I find that peculiar, but he just does. Last time we had that Superman vs. Thor argument, we sought the opinion of a Marvel writer who said that, in HIS opinion, they would probably end up 5-5 if they battled 10 times.

I guarantee you no Marvel writer you contact would have Wolverine blanking Cap 10-0. LoL, that's funny. I am willing to bet that no writer has Wolverine winning the majority of the time either. Now let me see if I can back that up by contacting one.

At any rate, I'll just agree to disagree.

If you read back I said that Captain America would beat Wolverine in a comic. I know that he would be he has no business doing so.

I would say Karnak ability to find the weak point of anyone he fights makes him appear better then he is but yeah he is good and so is Moondragon.

Iron Fist is one of the higher end street level characters and I think that he would beat Wolverine in a fight 7-8/10 but he isn't as skilled a fight as Wolverine or Cap he is good only about as good as DD.

EDIT: Sticks mysticism all stems from his mastery over the martial arts, I think it's safe to say he is the best but your right is all opinion.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Iron Fist is one of the higher end street level characters and I think that he would beat Wolverine in a fight 7-8/10 but he isn't as skilled a fight as Wolverine or Cap he is good only about as good as DD.

Wait. Iron Fist would beat Wolverine, but isn't as skilled a fighter?

You also think that Wolverine is a better fighter than Daredevil? The same Daredevil that stomped Sabretooth (who Wolverine has always had trouble with)?

Whoaaaaaaaa, didn't Daredevil beat Iron Fist?

http://www.randyscomics.com/dd178.JPG

I don't have it handy. Anyone recall what happened?