Hercules *who is a full god now* has fought Thor several times. The first fight lasted for days and ended in a draw and another fight had Hercules win after Odin stripped Thor of half his power. As for Hulk and Thor, War Hulk would of course win, that's no question, but if you're going to have War Hulk fight then you have to include King Thor or Current Thor, which would result in King Thor winning and probably Current as well. Yet even Classic Thor has abilities to stop Hulk. Hulk is afraid of Mjolnir, and Hulk isn't afraid of much of anything. He cannot lift it, for all his strength, and the storms Thor controls would most definitely take Hulk down. Thor is master of the storms, and makes Storm of the X-Men look like a little girl. Hulk has been knocked out before, and is capable of being knocked out with a barrage of lightning. In a strictly physical match-up, Hulk would likely win, though they did wrestle for days one time with nobody getting the upper hand. Hulk does get stronger the angrier he gets, but with someone like Thor, who can keep Hulk at bay if he really tried, his strength wouldn't make much difference. He can, and has, knocked Thor out if he gets ahold of him, but again, Thor has many powers at his disposal. And that's not even including the godforce blast, which could kill Hulk no question.
Hulk beat the crap out of Herc...poor herc...wouldn't give up. I think that was in a one-shot. Hulk was in some building and refused to get out of it. Military contacted the Avengers, and the avengers brought in Herc.
As for Thor, he keeps loosin to Hulk. Pissed off or not. Warrior madness Thor is a bit over hyped. Reading those issues it's clear the characters weren't going all out. From what I remember, they really did want to help thor, not kill him. Thor on the other hand, was out for blood...and yet didn't manage to kill SS or anyone else on the IW...mind you neither the entire IW with SS outclassed the insane Thor...it took Thanos to subdue the guy.
wrathof chillies i see ur point, yet mine is un unswered
* no a lighning bolt would not ill hulk
* a storm would blow hulk away yeah, and>......
*here we go king thor etc, look hulk has been upgraded once, war hulk , and no version of thor would stop 1 of the four horsemen of the apocalypse ( and that came from power already within hulk, as hulk has limitless strength/power at his hand in his normal forms not his suped up ones)
* as ive stated in a previous thread someone (n i cant remeber who) said if hulk went all out would be as powerful as a supernova, and if he was fighting to the finish well ( and i cant understant why a supernova as tht isnot limitless in power) stick anything u like in front or behind thors name it is not gonna help
thor would be reborn or something and the stories would go on, hulk would not be beaten by thor 1 on 1, tor though would end the fight by blowing hulk off into th wind etc, moljner well doesnt maestro have this in his collection?? together with silver surfers board etc, these things are only gonna be powerful over the hulk till he gets really pissed. as for rhino and scorpion, get a bin bag out for whats left of them
Thor didn't try to kill them, he just wanted them to get the hell out of his way. He is capable of killing virtually anyone, and only has unleashed it on Juggernaut, Loki, Galactus, and a few others *basically he unleashes it against those he knows he isn't going to kill*. He doesn't keep losing to Hulk, they haven't fought that many times.
Rhino and Scorpion wouldn't take down Spider-Man, much less Thor.
I never said a lightning bolt would kill Hulk, of course not. A barrage of lithtning bolts wouldn't even kill him, but it would knock him out, significantly easier to do. Thor can unleash bolt after bolt after bolt. I didn't include King Thor until you *or someone* mentioned War Hulk, thus if one is going to have War Hulk fight Thor, you have to make him King Thor, otherwise it's no contest. As for Hulk unleashing, it still won't take down King Thor, who killed Hulk. Odin could probably survive a supernova, so can King Thor.
That's a good point about being reborn. Technically Thor cannot die until Jormungand kills him at Ragnarok. He's actually 'died' before in the comics, but always comes back because he is fated to die in only one circumstance. He can't before then.
One bolt wouldn't, numerous ones would.
Originally posted by Tough Guy
thor would be reborn or something and the stories would go on, hulk would not be beaten by thor 1 on 1, tor though would end the fight by blowing hulk off into th wind etc, moljner well doesnt maestro have this in his collection?? together with silver surfers board etc, these things are only gonna be powerful over the hulk till he gets really pissed. as for rhino and scorpion, get a bin bag out for whats left of them
a pissed off thor should by all means win over a pissed off hulk. a pissed off thor would use all means necessary to stop hulk... that would include using the full potential of mjolnir. if thor can physically go toe to toe with hulk, then he should win if he included using mjolnir's powers. imagine hulk trying to out-punch thor while a whole barrage of lightning is hitting him. the god force blast is enough to kill hulk. i keep on repeating myself, thor has too much variety of powers at his disposal for hulk to win. hulk is tooo one dimensional, not to mention of basic intelligence. thor has battled for thousands of years, and will no doubt come up with a good enough strategy to beat hulk.
hulk rules
i don't know too much about comics but i will say this. The question was whether a PISSED off Hulk would beat a PISSED off Thor. I believe that a PISSED off Hulk is already in a high state of anger to begin with. If Thor( in any incarnation) doesn't know this then he will proceed to use the powers at his disposal most likely before trying to engage him physically. Using the wind and the lightning at this point would only benefit the hulk. Its safe to say that a PISSED off Hulk won't be knocked out by these weapons like a regular Hulk may be. He would probably feel some pain which would just serve to infuriate him; making him even stronger. This added strength, and continued added strength bourne of frustration and pain from the battle would continue to nullify Thor's subsequent attacks- even with the aid of Mjolnir- until there was no attack left to use to stop the Hulk, God Force notwithstanding. At this point the Hulk would kill or knock out Thor. It would take a while but thats the only way the Hulk would cease getting madder and stronger- in other words more powerful. A regular angry Hulk can reach Warrior Thor or King Thor level in strength and power. Not varied power like Thor but concentrated power which tranlates into increased strength, healing and toughness; a more powerful Hulk. This more powerful Hulk is more powerful than a PISSED Thor whose anger augments his strength to limits whereas the Hulk becomes more powerful without limit. What chance would a regular angry Thor have?
On the other hand, I'm unsure if a PISSED Thor can make his winds stronger or lightning strike harder. If he can then maybe he can knock out even a PISSED Hulk early and then use the God Force. That's the only way he can win. I doubt it however.
Finally if we were to use the strongest incarnation of each character, Maestro for the Hulk and King Thor for Thor, the hulk would still win simply because he'd already be a much stronger- madder hulk with the ability to increase his strength without limit, up against a pissed off stronger more powerful Thor who cannot do the same. This fight would be much shorter since the Maestro, and we'll say the Maestro in his prime- not the old dude in Future Imp- would not have to take as long to get the required Hulk anger-strength to surpass King Thor's power limit. Remember, King Thor's varied attacks albeit possibly stronger won't be able to knock out A Pissed Maestro Hulk. His God Force blast, even if he uses it right off the bat would probably hurt Maestro but wouldn't kill him. it would just make him madder and stronger and probably strong enough quicker, to defeat King Thor.
Bottom Line. Hulk wins.
P.S. I use God Force a lot in this post and to be honest I really don't know what it is. Perhaps I am underestimating its power. Can someone out there really break it down to me. It sounds intriguing.
like i said top thor, king or whatever against a hulkat his suped up would not be a natch sorry, hulk is limitless in power and thor is not , his main way to battle hulk has been his hammer and winds, ( not yet used god forc to my knowledge), he didnt kill juggie with his god force and a pissed hulk using a fraction of his limitless potential ( a mathematical impossibility there lol) would be just as invulnerable, he has grown 2/3rds of his flesh back in a few secs b4, its a true stale mate fight cos at some point thor would just suck hulk away in a tornado or something, or use his hammer to switch hulk into a strange imension. thor is a physical equal of a normal hulk, not an angry 1, and if u keep going to warrior madness or king thor, then we need to have him matched with a hulk thats already on a level anger wise to match then surpass that ( and hulk can surpass any level as he is limitless himself) maybe though if betty was threatened hed reach a much more pissd off state quicker???? any how thor better not try to engage to physically and hope that its a windy day lol
Originally posted by juggernaut74
dude a suped up Toyota supra will smoke a ferrari. Why dont you accept reality. I know cars more than comics man.
First, Hulk is always pissed off, lol. Thor is not always pissed off. When he is, he is unbelievable. Thor impaled a Celestial with the Sword of Odin when he was pissed off. Of course it didn't hurt because, well, it's a Celestial, but he was still blasting them with Mjolnir and doing all sorts of things that would eviscerate the Hulk. Hulk is capable of destroying anything and showing unmatched forms of strength when he is pissed, but like we've said, he doesn't have the powers Thor has, which would be sufficient to kill Hulk, pissed off or not *though he's never not pissed off really* The godforce would easily kill Hulk, no question, but he doesn't have to use that. He can just unleash with his own strength, while though it isn't limitless like Hulk, it vastly surpasses normal 100+ level strength that he has before.
And if you haven't read the comics, how do you claim to know anything of King Thor? Maestro is insanely strong, but he has nowhere near the power of King Thor, hell nowhere near the power of Classic Thor. King Thor killed both a pissed off Hulk and Thing together, he beat the holy hell out of most of the Avengers, killed other gods, etc. There is NO power limit to King Thor. He surpasses Odin, Thanos, Galactus even.
And yeah, you are underestimating the godforce: it is the single most powerful force Thor has, and arguably that any Marvel Universe hero has. It's probably more powerful than Surfer's limited power cosmic. It kills gods, meaning it can kill Hulk. It stopped the unstoppable Juggernaut. It sent Galactus fleeing in pain and fear. Thor usually only uses it on people that he doesn't think it will kill, like Juggernaut and Galactus, rather he uses it on people that it will stop when he has no other means of stopping them. Hulk may or may not be killed by the godforce, but it would definitely be sufficient to beat him in a fight, no question.
if god force didnt kill juggie it wouldnt kill hulk , a pissed hulk would be on the verge of indestructable END. he heals quicker as he gets angrier.
pissed off thor not super dooper thor or whatever they created for a series of issues, as we are not dealing with a hulk suped up ( though he always has access to his limitless power by suping up i mean starts out much higher) so king thor can deal with a king hulk. classic thor would be crushed by maestro though that still isnt the battle on our hands.
1 on 1 thor would be beaten eventually physically ( im using logic here) as hulk would surpass his strength evntually dwarfing it. thor would not be able to kill hulk, moljner would have smaller and smaller effect the longer the fight lasted till thor would need to use some power or other to blow/transport/ whatever hulk away. on a physical level hulk has no equal as weve agreed i think many times over these threads that was how he was created, the question is whether thors or anyone elses powers would be sufficient to beat hulk, thors would not defeat him i dont think, maybe daze, stun, knock for miles etc but although hulk is not indestructable, he pretty much is, after all hes survived ground zero atomic explosions, and re entry to earth, also can puch with the power of an atom bomb ( onslaught), still lives etc. the only way hulk would win would be a physical battle, which using logic he would win, thor would only be able to use his powers i think to literally make hulk leave blow him away in wind etc ( remember hulk is pissed not just angry), if we use king thor etc then we need to use war, a member of the four horsemen or another un yet written hulk that starts in power way ahead of a savave hulk ( remember starts, as hulk in savage form is unlimited) so leave them out of it if hulk is infinite in strength maybe he too could be formed into a god like character who knows.
i need to read up a bit about king thor though , sounds a little silly if hes that powerful ( galactus hulk and thing etc) u might aswell call him jesus or something lol or woud he beat him too, sounds like dc overpowering to me in a marvel universe but id like to find out more
Hulk has the potential to be very strong. He has potential unlimited strength. His medium is his angry, but does he have unlimited anger to gain unlimited strength. I think not. cos anger too got a limit. If he does if will be unrealistic.
As for King Thor, overpowering i think not. Being a "god" give him a right to do so. If this is silly than what do we call Maestro?
Maestro is definately the strongest Hulk manifestation. But even he admits classic Thor was a better match to him than Prof Hulk. If that is the case, u think he match King Thor. Yes he is abt class200, he can grow stronger but u think King Thor wld wait around for Maestro to be stronger. Thor knocked out a raging Savage Hulk with a lightning for seconds in the annual. Hulk needs time for his strength and Thor does not.
Another thing, Thor never ever used his godblast on Hulk B4.
yes right here we go again,
*maestro beat thor not king thor ( theoretically, we never saw this)
*leave king thor to the king hulks ( as yet unwritten but totally possible)
*forget anuals, hulk is not gonna be knocked out by lightening, end, also as he gets more pissed he becomes nigh on indestructable, END.
*prof hulk had a limit to his strength, maestro /savage dont get your facts right, maestro pissed on pro hulk without needing to get angrier.
*also he has unlimited strength, deal with it, its his power, like thor has powers hulk has his, he is infinate in rage and strength, END, he will surpass any obstacle where strength is the tool, and theres not a lot brute force cant smash if given the right amount of power, hulks is limitless. thor would have to wait around if he was to win, he wouldnt be able to take care of hulk quickly, even at base rate savage hulk is 100 tonnes, if hes pissed u can double that in a couple of frames of a comic book, yes he increases v quickly if he is angry, and in this thread .hes pissed.
* right war is the most powerful version of hulk, not maestro. weve only seen him once he has celestial powers, is a member o#f the friggin four horsemen, stopped juggie ( thors god force only did this) overpowered absorbing man, and as ive said never showd his true capacity, he would also be unlimited in strength. as ive said, physically hulk would win, thor would end up transporting hulk somewhere else when hulk started to dwarf his strength, end of fight, i dont think classic thor would be able to kill a pissed hulk, hed be indestructable virtually, mojlner god force etc would effectively beat hulk till he grew strong enough for it not to be so effective