The horrible TOAA mistake
Look, I don't know where people get the idea that The One Above All is accually the ultimate being in the Marvel Universe. The Living Tribunal is as far as it goes. The One Above All is merely a celestial.
If anyone can provide proof that there is a "The One Above All" that is mroe powerful than the LT, that would be great. But it isn't true, it is a celestial. I would post the link, but I am for some reason unable to at the moment.
Don't worry about it, Mane just hasn't had his horse tranquilizers today.
There is a Celestial called The One Above All. However I believe there is also a supreme being, referred to as The One Above All whom LT does serve. This has been discussed before, and that was the gist of the conclusion, I believe. I could be totally wrong. Whatever.
TOAO is tha most powerfull celestial who's powers are supposed to be above LT.
Example : Franklin Richards is a human KID but at full potential he's right under celestial power....but heee's humaaan
Get it?
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Also, post without tha "http://www". it wont be rejected since tha thread wont think it's a website. and whoever clicks it can just add a "www".
The Marvel Directory says the following about The One Above All:
"It is not known how many Celestials there are in existence. Even the number of Celestials on Earth in the Fourth Host is a mystery. Nine were known by name and function, others were glimpsed but not identified. The Fourth Host was led by the Celestial known only as The One Above All, who remained aboard the orbiting mother ship during the entire stay on Earth. The head of the landing party was Arishem."
Read it at marveldirectory.com/alienraces/celestials.htm
Also, I found a website revealing each appearance of The One Above All. Mainly, he has appeared in the Thor comics (4 times) and it has a picture of how he looks like, along with every other revealed celestial.
Go to geocities.com/brenni_au/BiosCelestials.html He is about halfway down.
Now, after reading from these sources, I think you will agree with me that it is total bullcrap that The One Above All is accually the completely omnipotent god of the Marvel universe, which even The Living Tribunal serves. In fact, there never were any signs at all that The One Above All was some omnipotent god. The name might have confused somebody, but it is clearly merely the leader of the celestials.
a brief history from a source other than marveldirectory
History:
The Living Tribunal is above all other forces in the Universe. The Marvel Universe is really a multiverse, a limitless connection of alternate universes connected to the main one. He trancends EVERY SINGLE FORCE in EVERY SINGLE ONE, exists on EVERY dimension at the same time in each as well as actually existing in EVERY SINGLE UNIVERSE in the multiverse at the same time. That is he has no "alternate" selves like all other beings in the multiverse, THERE IS ONLY ONE. He is the only being that "actually" can destroy a universe if he judges it threatens the balance of the others.
Also he has stated his power comes from "on high" and also stated that he represented forces that dwarf the might of the Infinity Gauntlet, which he backed up by being totally uneffected by its power when it destroyed Eternity, Lord Chaos and Master Order away as if they where insects, not to mention he had the power to cancel the Gauntlets effects out with a single snap of the finger and ordered that they never work together again in this universe.
how the hell can a guy like this serve some damn Celestial are you freaking crazy? all the info you have amassed is of the celestial and just that. not the true TOAA
looky here
this is but a third TOAA of the Soul Survivors
The One Above All is of unknown origin (You can make up whatever you like. I'd guess he could be a Celestial, who got tired of all the judging, etc. and decided to settle down). It dwelled on Templeworld, and it was immensely powerful, and provided lifegiving energies to several planets for an unknown length of time. It eventually sacrificed its life to provide for long term defenses for Templeworld. While the One Above All gave his power willingly, all other "gods" of the Soul Survivors were captured and used against their wills.
this one is from temple world. A place where Their greatest treasure was an immensely powerful being known as the One Above All. They worshipped him as their god, and he willingly supplied the energy necessary to sustain their world's fragile biosphere in exchange for feeding off the psionic energy generated by the Deonists' worship.
manjaro is correct. I'll help clear this up. There's a Celestial called The One Above All. However, LT represents another being who's known or LT refers to as The One Above All. If you had read The Infinity Gauntlet series you'd know that was so. The Celestial with the flat face and appearing in the colors yellow and blue is the Celestial known as The One Above All. He and Ziran the Tester, along with other cosmic deities, fought Thanos w/ the Gauntlet. Furthermore, these two were also present when Warlock was on trial, overseen by LT. LT mentioned he represented a being above (TOAA) Warlock w/ the IG -WHILE THE ONE ABOVE ALL CELESTIALS AND ZIRAN THE TESTER WERE PRESENT.
HERE'S A PIC OF THANOS KICKING BOTH CELESTIALS' ASS.
Ok, so if he sacrificed himself to supply long term energy to something, he OBVIOUSLY is NOT more powerful than the Living Tribunal, who can do whatever the hell he wants, he can destroy a universe, he can supply all sorts of energy. This loser had to sacrifice himself just to supply some energy to something. People are saying that TOAA is more powerful than the LT, which ins't true.
And Manjaro, the reason I made this thread is to prove that the LT does NOT serve anything, and that TOAA is NOT more powerful than LT.
Obviously.
Where did you find that pic, by the way?
He said this was but a THIRD TOAA. It happens in comics sometimes, just a reflection of life. Hell, there are a bunch of people in the world running around the the same first, middle, and last name - it doesn't mean they're the same person and you know that.
Here's proof:
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/n/nimrodi.htm
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/n/nimrodii.htm
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mentori.htm
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mentorii.htm
So what you are saying, Beyonder, is that there are two seperate TOAAs, that one is a celestial, and the other is what LT likes to refer as his superior?
And that pic was interesting, but it proved nothing. Can you provide a pic of LT saying that there is something mroe powerful than him? Also, can you provide more pics of Thanos handing Cosmic ass? I wanna see him kill LT, Eternity, Galactus, and whatever else he killed!
Thanos kicked everybodies ass except LT in Infinity Gauntlet series.
He beat everyone else including LT in The End.
As for pics of LT refering to TOAA, I don't have a scanner and am to lazy. But this happened in Infinity Watch #1.
Here's pics of Thanos (scroll down to fight):
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=300696&highlight=Thanos+pics
For some reason, Infinity, Oblivion and Veritus never appeared. But now I know what happened.
I'd like to see Thanos ripping a new one in the Living Tribunal in The End. I read about the The End storyline, and it is kind of stupid. I mean, the Heart of the Universe is in a spaceship gaurded by some aliens. Thanos, Hulk, and Dr. Strange break in, and go undetected until Hulk thinks a robot is attacking him, which it isn't, so he attacks it. Then all the aliens are alerted, and Thanos punches through them until he gets to the Heart Of The Universe, which gives you omnipotent power, and he jumps into it. What the freaking hell is that? Becoming the all powerful god that can go anything, even kill the Living Tribunal, from an artifact THAT IS BARELY GAURDED BY A COUPLE OF ALIENS? What the hell is that? No one was guarding it, and then he becomes more powerful than anything!
I want to see Thanos owning the Living Tribunal.
Originally posted by Katt
You want proof?
How is this then?
When the Living Tribunal said that he represents forces that dwarfs Adam Warlocks might, he was obviously just talking about himself. Its not like he had to threaten Adam Warlock with something that is more powerful than the Living Tribunal itself. No, he was only refering to itself when it said that.
And then he says "My authority comes from on high", he was also just talking about himself. He is the highest power there is. And nowhere there does it mention "The One Above All". TOAA is a Celestial, and over the course of time, someone, somewhere, made the mistake of thinking that 'TOAA' is something higher than The Living Tribunal. There is nothing higher than the Living Tribunal, except the Heart of the Universe, which is only an artifact. Which, from what I read online, was EXTREMELY easy to get, because it was being guarded by lazy, lackluster aliens in a spaceship. I mean, power greater than the all powerful one and only LT who exists in the entire multiverse, THAT easily? Give me a break!
Well, I think I have proven my point on The One Above All matter. LT is the highest, TOAA is only a celestial, and LT never said that he serves TOAA, ever. It was just a mistake, there is no third TOAA. People just started saying it, and it spread.