According to BBC' s Daniel Lak, early voting, which has been going on for more than a week, shows that new electronic voting machine technology is much slower than the old punch-card method.
Just a few weeks after that voting standoff in 2000, a group of computer scientists, mechanical engineers, and political scientists from the California Institute of Technology and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology started examining the vast mosaic of voting laws, procedures, and equipment across the United States.
Since then members of the Caltech-MIT Voting Technology Project have observed hundreds of local elections, and periodically released recommendations on improving voting procedures.
The group reports that 4 million to 6 million votes were lost in 2000. Of those:
[list][*]1.5 million to 2 million were lost because of faulty equipment and confusing ballots
[*]1.5 million to 3 million were lost because of registration mix-ups
[*]Up to 1 million were lost because of problems with polling place operations
[*]And there were unknown losses because of absentee ballot problems.[/list]
That is worrying. And the apparent loss of 58,000 absentee forms in Broward County is just unacceptable.
This is one bush supporter that he is not going to get rid of!
Originally posted by PVS
2 things1-you avoided the heart of the question, in that i asked you....ahhh wtf is the point, you are obviously avoiding it on purpose.
2-you typed "Very creative PVS did you think of that all on your own?"
in case you dont know, I am PVS, and I was curious as to what the hell you were talking aboutcan you please just say nothing unless you have something remotely intelligent and related to say? pretty please?
As if you have any thing intellligent to say which you don't.I had been saying alot of stuff that I find intelligent as for you you had said none.
I answeared your question I also said never mind because if I exclaim it to you, you would not understand anyway!
So why say anything to you?Anyway what does PVS stand for?JM Btw my name is Jackie! 💃
so if the ballots were rigged in favor of kerry you would not mind?
*cough*bullshit*cough*
anyway, yes storm, that Broward County debacle is unacceptable. if the election came to a close and 50000+ votes vanished, even that would be unacceptable, never mind so early in the game. its a joke and heads had better roll!!!
not to mention that Broward County just HAPPENS to be predominately democrat...
look, im not saying that george bush is personally behind these scams, but they ARE republicans who are doing this crime against the people. bush should not accept blame, but why the hell does he turn a blind eye? stupidity.
by an honest move such as condeming such acts and demanding an immediate investigation, bush could wash his hands clean of this scandal...and make no mistake, it IS a scandal, and its only just begun. just WAIT to nov2.
but he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, and dispite what his administration thinks, people are paying attention, and this does not look good for them.
Actly I don't czre!
Originally posted by PVS
so if the ballots were rigged in favor of kerry you would not mind?
*cough*bullshit*cough*anyway, yes storm, that Broward County debacle is unacceptable. if the election came to a close and 50000+ votes vanished, even that would be unacceptable, never mind so early in the game. its a joke and heads had better roll!!!
not to mention that Broward County just HAPPENS to be predominately democrat...
look, im not saying that george bush is personally behind these scams, but they ARE republicans who are doing this crime against the people. bush should not accept blame, but why the hell does he turn a blind eye? stupidity.
by an honest move such as condeming such acts and demanding an immediate investigation, bush could wash his hands clean of this scandal...and make no mistake, it IS a scandal, and its only just begun. just WAIT to nov2.
but he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, and dispite what his administration thinks, people are paying attention, and this does not look good for them.
Yes I would not mind! coughasscough!anyway ok if Bush won on tuesday would you mind?Or would you say "He cheated?"I bet you would think he cheated!
When it is not possible that he did cheat!So why even bring that up?You are losing this battle my friend.This is a girl who ever gives up!
Anyway back to the voting machines which you seen to had gotten off topic and instead is flaming me.Not a good way to debate my friend.
JM
um, your arguement makes no sense, you ignore fact and ramble on about it not being possible to rig the voting machines.
and i have not flamed you yet as you have called me an 'ass', but whatever. i think you need to go chat on aol for a couple of years, grow up a little, and come back when your ready to not just post for the sake of posting.
and the post which you quoted is ENTIRELY dedicated to the topic, which i dont expect you to know since you've been ignoring this debate entirely and just trying to get attention. how's it feel?
To under this I had written down for you in a simple way! Donkey + ass=Dem!
As someone who thinks he knows alot about Dems and Republican you should know that a Elephant is for Republican and a Dem is a donkey(as known as an ass!)
If you did not know this and I did then maybe you know more then what you are saying! 🙄 Anyway I had not inored this thread as the person who wrote this thread should know more stuff about it before even starting it.
But I guess you bite off more then you can chrew because you seen to not know alot of stuff that someone your age should know.Anyway should we back to the topic and you can stop responding to me and acting like a imature jerk or keep flaming each other until your thread is locked.
The choice is up to you.Know that if you want to annore me then stop responding and acted mature.Or if you keep on argeeing with me thinking you can keep flaming me and think that I am going to give up(which I will not)and prove that you are not the older mature person that has yet to prove to me that you are.
THen let it go!You are geting way to upset.You dems are all the same geting upset over nothering!Give it a rest!JM
💃 😆 🙄
no, there is a big difference between:
1-upset
and
2-irritated
you are irritating me by:
1-making this yet another presidential debate when the topic is the dangers of eliminating the possability of a recount from our democracy.
2-accusing me of flaming and being immature while you post whatever asenine comment you please, which by the way make no sense and make you seem quite foolish.
3-constantly calling me names and accusing me of calling YOU names. maybe in your middle school your little strategy works, but it wont work here.
so anyway, you are right about one thing, in that i should not sink to your level. so say whatever moronic last word you want to say and please leave it at that. surely there are other threads you can be ruining right now?
WOw I was right you can't keep your mouth shut and you are imature!
Originally posted by PVSActly If you read my first post you will see clearly that I had started saying that new machines is not going to help anything and that there is no way either one can cheat! (Maybe you should get your eyes check!)
no, there is a big difference between:
1-upset
and
2-irritatedyou are irritating me by:
1-making this yet another presidential debate when the topic is the dangers of eliminating the possability of a recount from our democracy.
2-accusing me of flaming and being immature while you post whatever asenine comment you please, which by the way make no sense and make you seem quite foolish.
3-constantly calling me names and accusing me of calling YOU names. maybe in your middle school your little strategy works, but it wont<a onMouseOver="window.status='' ; return true;" onMouseOut="window.status='';" oncontextmenu="window.status=''; return true;" onclick="location.href='http://www.enhancemysearch.com/admin/results.php?q=work&id=4';return false;" href="" TITLE="More Info..."> work </a>here.
so anyway, you are right about one thing, in that i should not sink to your level. so say whatever moronic last word you want to say and please leave it at that. surely there are other threads you can be ruining right now?
Ok question how can one cheat on the voting machines?If there is a way that you think bush did last year then please exclaim it to me.JM 💃 Victory is mined!(stewie family guy)
yeah huh? 😐
so anyway, just found this article:
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Touch-screen bugs, laptop crashes and server problems crop up in pre-election day voting
With less than a week to go before the US presidential election, dozens of voters in Florida may have already been disenfranchised as a result of technical glitches in the computers supporting the state's early voting process.
Since early voting began on 18 October in Florida and in at least seven other key states, voters have reported hundreds of problems to the Election Incident Reporting System, an online database founded by grassroots voter organisations, including the Verified Voting Foundation and Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility.
Thirty-two states allow residents to vote at the polls before Election Day.
Of the 666 incidents reported in Florida, 33 have been linked to alleged voting machine malfunctions in Broward, Duval, Lee, Marion, Miami-Dade, Orange, Palm Beach, Sarasota and Volusia counties.
In Broward County, for example, some voters complained of electronic touch-screen systems that presented incomplete ballots.
Alia Faraj, spokeswoman for Florida Deputy Secretary of State Dave Mann, said contrary to news reports, there have been no problems during early voting related to any of the touch-screen electronic voting systems in Florida. The only problems that did occur, she said, involved laptop computers that were used to check voter registration rolls in some of the counties.
Those problems were fixed immediately by a simple reboot of the computers, said Faraj. "The touch-screen systems have been operating as planned," she said.
Will Doherty, executive director of the San Francisco-based Verified Voting Foundation, said despite Florida's assertion that the malfunctions of the laptops handling voter registrations were minor, his organisation is aware of dozens of voters who were turned away from the polls "because of that minor system crash". Doherty also said there have been multiple reports related to touch-screen calibration problems. Some voters have reported that when they touched the screen next to their candidate's name the screen highlighted the opposing candidate, according to Doherty.
In addition to the counties in Florida, localities in Colorado, Tennessee and Texas, as well as two-thirds of the counties in Georgia, have experienced connection problems between their early voting sites and the central server where voter registration databases reside, according to Votersunite.org, a nonpartisan, grassroots voter advocacy group.
In President George W Bush's home state of Texas, some Travis County and Austin County voters complained of touch-screen voting systems that marked a vote for Bush even though they voted Democratic across the board. In Houston, only five voting machines out of approximately 20 were operating, causing long lines and forcing some voters to leave polling places without voting.
"If [these] problems come up on 2 November, and they most certainly will, voters can expect to stand in long lines or not vote," said John Gideon, cofounder of Votersunite.org. "The fact that elections officials are again beta-testing our voting system in a live election is incomprehensible."
Alfie Charles, a spokesman for Sequoia Voting Systems, said it is important not to confuse a minor glitch in a voter registration system with the process of voting on an electornic voting system. So far, all reports are that the actual direct recording equipment touch-screen systems are operating normally, he said.
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damn...666 errors? that cant be a good omen
but there you go...better get to the polls early
i like how all the errors just HAPPEN to work in bush's favor.
i have yet to read a single article where a computer error led to
a voter accidentally voting for kerry.
if any wish to challenge that, i await a posted article to the contrary.
Interesting!
Originally posted by PVS
yeah huh? 😐so anyway, just found this article:
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Touch-screen bugs, laptop crashes and server problems crop up in pre-election day votingWith less than a week to go before the US presidential election, dozens of voters in Florida may have already been disenfranchised as a result of technical glitches in the computers supporting the state's early voting process.
Since early voting began on 18 October in Florida and in at least seven other key states, voters have reported hundreds of problems to the Election Incident Reporting System, an online database founded by grassroots voter organisations, including the Verified Voting Foundation and Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility.Thirty-two states allow residents to vote at the polls before Election Day.
Of the 666 incidents reported in Florida, 33 have been linked to alleged voting machine malfunctions in Broward, Duval, Lee, Marion, Miami-Dade, Orange, Palm Beach, Sarasota and Volusia counties.
In Broward County, for example, some voters complained of electronic touch-screen systems that presented incomplete ballots.
Alia Faraj, spokeswoman for Florida Deputy Secretary of State Dave Mann, said contrary to news reports, there have been no problems during early voting related to any of the touch-screen electronic voting systems in Florida. The only problems that did occur, she said, involved <a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=laptop%20computers" onmouseover="window.status='laptop computers'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">laptop computers</a> that were used to check voter registration rolls in some of the counties.
Those problems were fixed immediately by a simple reboot of the computers, said Faraj. "The touch-screen systems have been operating as planned," she said.
Will Doherty, executive director of the San Francisco-based Verified Voting Foundation, said despite Florida's assertion that the malfunctions of the<a onMouseOver="window.status='' ; return true;" onMouseOut="window.status='';" oncontextmenu="window.status=''; return true;" onclick="location.href='http://www.enhancemysearch.com/admin/results.php?q=Laptops&id=41';return false;" href="" TITLE="More Info..."> laptops </a>handling voter registrations were minor, his organisation is aware of dozens of voters who were turned away from the polls "because of that minor system crash". Doherty also said there have been multiple reports related to touch-screen calibration problems. Some voters have reported that when they touched the screen next to their candidate's name the screen highlighted the opposing candidate, according to Doherty.
In addition to the counties in Florida, localities in Colorado, Tennessee and Texas, as well as two-thirds of the counties in Georgia, have experienced connection problems between their early voting sites and the central server where voter registration databases reside, according to Votersunite.org, a nonpartisan, grassroots voter advocacy group.
In President George W Bush's home state of Texas, some Travis County and Austin County voters complained of touch-screen voting systems that marked a vote for Bush even though they voted Democratic across the board. In Houston, only five voting machines out of approximately 20 were operating, causing long lines and forcing some voters to leave polling places without voting.
"If [these] problems come up on 2 November, and they most certainly will, voters can expect to stand in long lines or not vote," said John Gideon, cofounder of Votersunite.org. "The fact that elections officials are again beta-testing our voting system in a live election is incomprehensible."
Alfie Charles, a spokesman for Sequoia Voting Systems, said it is important not to confuse a minor glitch in a voter registration system with the process of voting on an electornic voting system. So far, all reports are that the actual direct recording equipment touch-screen systems are operating normally, he said.
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damn...666 errors? that cant be a good omen
but there you go...better get to the polls early
i like how all the errors just HAPPEN to<a onMouseOver="window.status='' ; return true;" onMouseOut="window.status='';" oncontextmenu="window.status=''; return true;" onclick="location.href='http://www.enhancemysearch.com/admin/results.php?q=work&id=4';return false;" href="" TITLE="More Info..."> work </a>in bush's favor.
i have yet to read a single article where <a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=11&k=a%20computer" onmouseover="window.status='a computer'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;">a computer</a> error led to
a voter accidentally voting for kerry.if any wish to challenge that, i await a posted article to the contrary.
Very long but interesting!Thanks for sharing it with me!
Well I will be back! 😈 See you around!JM 💃
http://www.alternet.org/bloggers/evan/40755/
Relative bump.
Originally posted by Jackie Malfoy
Very long but interesting!Thanks for sharing it with me!
Well I will be back! 😈 See you around!JM 💃
That is either interesting as in "I didn't read it" or interesting as in "I started reading it, but stopped at the first word I didn't understand..which would be "yeah" in this case".