Oh, I got ya, you listed the heroes that you feel are greater hereos based on their deeds and actions and not their combat abilities, like Joker was saying earlier. Sorry, I just got confused, because you listed them right after Joesha ask for a new top 10 heroes for combat, due to the fact that people have mentioned they think wizard's list is flawed.
Secret Wars X-Men had Wolverine and Cyclops to my knowledge. Give or take Storm that's the best side.
Spider-Man is a hero because lose badly or not, he won't stop fighting till he's dead. Yet he gets afraid just like any human.
He is the best pound for pound hero in my opinion and I think it's provable when reading his comics.
-AC
"Its just that he can get the crap beat out of him by many of other heroes. And no, your opinion is not provable by reading anything. That's why they are called opinions, not facts."
I said I think it's provable by reading his comics. Meaning that I think it's provable that despite being able to be beat, he is one of if not the best hero out there. Being able to be beaten by other heroes doesn't make you any less of a hero. Spider-Man in his prime is in the top 5 I believe.
-AC
Ha Ha!! I can prove it is unprovable!!! You already stated it was your opinion. Opinions are defined as something that can not be provable. They are the opposite definition of facts. It was foolish of you to think you can prove your opinion. Also, it was even more stupid to say that something is provable if it can not be proven unprovable. That is like saying I have proof you committed murder, just because no one has proof that you did not commit murder. The worst part? This whole mess was started my your foolishness. Do you understand Joesha started this thread referring to a top 10 vs. list and not a list about who you feel is a greater hero? You should post your list on Arsenal's thread. In this thread you need to post the top 10 powerhouses. A list that Spiderman and Batman can only dream about being on.
Originally posted by MatchesMalone
Ha Ha!! I can prove it is unprovable!!!
You already stated it was your opinion. Opinions are defined as something that can not be provable. They are the opposite definition of facts.
Doubtful. Superman just has just as much determination, and has gotten his ass beat just as badly(actually, worse. He actually died.)
At best, I'd give Spiderman second place, below Superman. If you read the Action Comics issues back before he was basically indestructable, you'd understand why.
Damn it, forgot to add: Superman has just as many human fears as anyother hero. Read the current "Superman" run, and you'll see what I'm talking about. The loss of a loved one hits him probably harder than anyone else. Why? Because he has power beyond most imaginations, and still couldn't prevent Lois from Vanishing(no, not a typo, that's the name given to the incident).