Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Thor's travel is usually done via throwing his hammer. No, I'm fully aware of Thor's versatility, im also aware that MM's is much easier and quicker to obtain.Thor stronger? Eh, Id say neither prevails here. Even match.
More durable? Again, questionable. Again even match.
More skilled hand to hand? Yes, most likely.
The point for mentioning the weakness had nothing to do with rendering magic useless at all, point was if Superman with a magic weakness could handle Thor, a MM who is just a toned down Supes shouldn't have that much effort.
So going off of what has been seen and a base powerset, no reason MM couldn't take a majority.
Thor is stronger than MM, are you serious it's not even close, Thor overall is too versatile for MM.
Thor is stronger than MM, are you serious it's not even close,
Only if we ignore pesky things like facts. Martian Manhunter is only slightly physically weaker than Superman. Thor has no strength feats that put him beyond Superman. They're probably the same strength wise.
Thor travel 3x speed of light and that's his average speed. Running speed Hela stated that was running so fast she couldn't see him, his running speed is beyond comprehension.
Yet where are the examples of him using it in combat? We've seen Martians give Flash trouble speedwise. J'onn definitely has much faster combat speed.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
Thor's travel is usually done via throwing his hammer. No, I'm fully aware of Thor's versatility, im also aware that MM's is much easier and quicker to obtain.Thor stronger? Eh, Id say neither prevails here. Even match.
More durable? Again, questionable. Again even match.
More skilled hand to hand? Yes, most likely.
The point for mentioning the weakness had nothing to do with rendering magic useless at all, point was if Superman with a magic weakness could handle Thor, a MM who is just a toned down Supes shouldn't have that much effort.
So going off of what has been seen and a base powerset, no reason MM couldn't take a majority.
He has also travelled and directed chariots and such at high speeds.
This is true in what way? Thor has never had any difficulty using any of his many attacks. Maybe the godblast, but that's all I can think of.
Thor is stronger than MM. Same league but Thor is a lv higher.
Thor is also more durable. Again, same league but Thor is a lv higher.
I don't see your point? Either way magic is effective. If Superman didn't have the weakness he would still probably lose to Thor because he's not as versatile nor would he have a way to counter the magic based attacks.
More durable is that also taking into account the healing MM's molecular control grants him?
Stronger? Very debateable.
MM has also been able to span the globe, destory buildings, and speedblitz white martains in the matter of a breath.
The only instance we have Superman didn't lose to Thor, theres no reason to say MM wouldn't also take a majority, espically considering he is just a slightly toned down supes with a few extra abilities.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
More durable is that also taking into account the healing MM's molecular control grants him?Stronger? Very debateable.
MM has also been able to span the globe, destory buildings, and speedblitz white martains in the matter of a breath.
The only instance we have Superman didn't lose to Thor, theres no reason to say MM wouldn't also take a majority, espically considering he is just a slightly toned down supes with a few extra abilities.
No, thats more along the lines of a healing factor.
It's really not. Thor's strength feats are simply the more impressive of the two.
Spanning the globe, and destroying buildings aren't really impressive when talking about the feats, powers, and abilities of herald lv characters.
How fast exactly are white Martians.
Ok, and the only instance we have between Spider-Man and Fire Lord Spider-man was the victor. It isn't wise to base your whole argument off a poorly written fight in a poorly written crossover.
It's a healing ontop of the durability MM already has.
Care to inform me of what strength feats place Thor so much above MM?
That feat was geared directly towards his speed. Nothing more. His fighting speed is above what Thor's is, yes Thor can travel 3x light speed by throwing his hammer, he isn't a speedster in any category.
Yes Thor is resistant to TP, but your not talking about a low level TP, MM is usually placed well above anyone in marvel. On top of TP, speedblitzing, strength to match, "martain vision", durability+a HF, shapeshifting, and etc there's no reason he shouldn't be able to take a majority.
Thor's got some power to throw around, not arguing that. ASIDE, from a godblast, it isn't anything MM shouldn't be able to take and keep rolling with.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
It's a healing ontop of the durability MM already has.Care to inform me of what strength feats place Thor so much above MM?
That feat was geared directly towards his speed. Nothing more. His fighting speed is above what Thor's is, yes Thor can travel 3x light speed by throwing his hammer, he isn't a speedster in any category.
Yes Thor is resistant to TP, but your not talking about a low level TP, MM is usually placed well above anyone in marvel. On top of TP, speedblitzing, strength to match, "martain vision", durability+a HF, shapeshifting, and etc there's no reason he shouldn't be able to take a majority.
Thor's got some power to throw around, not arguing that. ASIDE, from a godblast, it isn't anything MM shouldn't be able to take and keep rolling with.
Healing factors aren't a part of your durability. Their an outside ability just as Thor's ability to absorb and cope with damage is referenced to as "damage soak" rather than durability.
Fishing and dragging the Midgard serpent, crushing Exitar's dome, throwing the earth out of orbit as a result from an arm wrestling match, closing a dimensional rift by punching it, lifting and tossing the Odin sword, etc.
Even so it's not impressive. Your correct in saying Thor isn't usually thought of as a speedster but it's obvious his reflexes and reaction times are above those of a normal humans as he's been shown capable of battling Surfer, Gladiator, Hermes, and others. Thor's isn't nearly the fastest character around but he isn't completely defenseless.
Also what speed feats does MM have that lead you to believe Thor won't be able to react to any of his attacks?
Would you consider the Phoenix and Moondragon low lv telepaths? Thor has shown to be more resistant Than Moondragon and has deflected and redirected an attack back upon Phoenix ko'ing her.
Saying MM's telepathy is superior to every character of Marvel is a completely biased statement.
MM's telepathy is nearly a non factor., I doubt he'll be able to speedblitz Thor, his strength pales in comparison to Thor's, he isn't impervious to harm so he'll still feel Thor's attacks, etc.
Other than the fact that Thor is not only more versatile but more powerful.
Again a biased statement.
Thor is much more powerful but not more versatile...
plus he didn't "crush" Exitar's dome, nor did he "fish" and "drag" the midgard serpent...
your making it look like he did all of these with ease...
plus, Thor throwing the Earth out of orbit in an arm wrestling match was not on his own sole power...
anyway, Thor wins against MM...
MM assisting WW and Supes in moving planets?
He isn't a speedster, and yes does have above human reflexs, he doesn't however have the speed or reflexes to completely avoid being speedblitzed.
Same Surfer that always tends to attept going H2H with Thor?
Never said MM TP was going to have a full effect on Thor, im by far well aware of his resistance. Im also aware that MM's telepathy is usually depicted at being beyond what anyone in marvels is, minus mind gems, entinties, and etc.
My opinion wasn't based on who was more powerful, but the fact that two characters so close, versatility and speed would play a big part, something MM has more of. Therefor I gave him a majority, not a HUGE one, but one none the less.
Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
MM assisting WW and Supes in moving planets?He isn't a speedster, and yes does have above human reflexs, he doesn't however have the speed or reflexes to completely avoid being speedblitzed.
Same Surfer that always tends to attept going H2H with Thor?
Never said MM TP was going to have a full effect on Thor, im by far well aware of his resistance. Im also aware that MM's telepathy is usually depicted at being beyond what anyone in marvels is, minus mind gems, entinties, and etc.
My opinion wasn't based on who was more powerful, but the fact that two characters so close, versatility and speed would play a big part, something MM has more of. Therefor I gave him a majority, not a HUGE one, but one none the less.
Which is less impressive than The above feats mentioned. Especially considering they were unable to move the planet and needed the assistance of Kyle.
Which is still up to question as the only being Thor has been speedblitzed by is Gladiator whom speed is greater than MM's. While Thor is usually at the disadvantage when it comes to speed he's still shown able to hang with his faster opponents.
Also what speed feats does MM have that lead you to believe Thor won't be able to react to any of his attacks?
Then you've obviously haven't read all their battles. In their first for example not once did they engage each other in h2h.
That would be nice if you could prove MM's telepathy was superior to the characters I mentioned, but fortunately for my argument you can't.
This would be a valid point if you could prove MM's speed would play a big part is this fight, because he sure in hell isn't more versatile.
Manhunter is faster, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be able to react faster in combat, not when fighting someone as experienced as Thor. Manhunter has the ability to become almost as strong as Superman for like what, 10 minutes or something? That won't be enough to take out Thor, not by a long shot.
- Magic is a great way of dealing with your opponents, whether it's their weakness or not.
- Thor has proven incredible resistance to telepathy
- Thor has proven incredible resistance to BFR
- Thor has feat upon feat where he displays in his incredible strength, stamina and combat skills.