Doomsday killed Superman...Should not have happened

Wow Supra you really do not know? Doomsday was a kryptonian if he would have been thrown into the sun it would have charged him up Doomsday has been taking in the suns energy for so many years more then Superman that explains his overwhelming of strength Doomsday was said to be Faster then the Flash or some bullcrap Boostergold said. Doomsday strength also was enough to devastate Supermans at the time because of all that time to suck in the sun from earth all those years.

Originally posted by Fanboy
Wow Supra you really do not know? Doomsday was a kryptonian if he would have been thrown into the sun it would have charged him up Doomsday has been taking in the suns energy for so many years more then Superman that explains his overwhelming of strength Doomsday was said to be Faster then the Flash or some bullcrap Boostergold said. Doomsday strength also was enough to devastate Supermans at the time because of all that time to suck in the sun from earth all those years.

Jesus you really dont read any other posts besides your own do you, DoomsDay is NOT a kryptonian.(at least I think thats what youre saying, who can tell with your horrible grammer)

"Doomsday was artificially created by Bertron, a mad scientist working on Krypton, Superman's home world, though neither he nor his creator were Kryptonian (although Bertron had used a cadre of Kryptonian scientists who assisted him in his lab). Doomsday hated Superman because whenever he looked at a Kryptonian, he saw his creator who had subjected him to death over and over again in order to create the perfect life form. In order to do this, they sent a baby onto the surface of Krypton, where it would be killed by the harsh environment or vicious creatures. Each time, the lifeform's remains were harvested and used again, to create a better, stronger version of the last. Through decades of this process, the being which would eventually become Doomsday was forced to endure the agony of death, thousands upon thousands of times; the memory of these countless deaths drove it to hate all life, and especially Kryptonians"

-Wikipedia

Originally posted by Bardock42
So do I 😎

Anyway Supes is pretty lame. I think they should kill him, he has no reason to life anyway. I think Martian Manhunter is better faster stronger more beautiful and all in all just way cooler. And so is Batman and every other single DC comic figure.

Martian Manhunters strength is not faster or stronger then Superman Martian Manhunter is just a Superman wannabee according to some creators.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Doomsday isn't Kryptonian. He was spliced with Kryptonian DNA, giving him his strength. He doesn't have all of a Kryptonian's powers (flight, heat vision, speed, etc.)

They just said that Bertron used a baby as the starting point for his experiment. They didn't say where they got the baby from but it was very human looking. Since Krypton at that point was only inhabited by horrible monsters we can assume he was not Kryptonian to begin with. however he did do most of his evolving on Krypton. If I'm not mistaken they placed the timeframe of his creation at about 150,000 years ago which makes it possible that he was a human baby to begin with 🙂

Also, to everyone saying they just made Supermans death to sell comics and make money; well, if you can think of any other reason that Marvel or DC would make comics I'd like to hear it 🙂

Since this thread was last posted on they made a really awesome Doomsday comic, involving Gog and a cognicient Doomsday helping superman, and eventually becoming the savior of Earth that Superman once was. It was really and awesome story and you should check it out if you can find it.

Originally posted by Supra
Why did this happen, there was no Big K involved, no nothing it was just a strength match. Superman is impervious to physical attacks if No K involved, or at least should be cause thats what his fater and the comics said.

Also in the comic, Supe never went super speed, he could have just doged all of Doomsdays attacks and he would have never gotten him. Then as Supe likes to do is throw stuff into the Sun, he could have just grabbed doomsday and done just that, but he did not. He could have also just thrown him into outerspace, and let him come back down and burn up in the atmosphere. He did none of those

What were doomsdays powers? Just Strength and hardness. Nothing Else, matched with supes....super strength, super speed, heat vison, freeze breath, super breath, invinsibility, aurora power shell from the yellow sun, smartest man on the earth,x-ray vision.

This makes no sense to me.

My question is why he died, and why the comic writers let this happend, and the only reason I can see why he died was that they wanted him to, and with a little research ....THEY DID!!

Read This

http://www.geocities.com/mbrown123/superman75.html

Superman is not infinite. Otherwise he would be God.
There is a limit to the vulnerability of superman's concussive durability.
And Doomsday surpasses that limit. That is why he could hurt Superman. Second, Doomsday is as fast (or faster than) flash (not when flash is moving in another dimension though). This is a fact!
Many characters have said it in battle with Doomsday. Also, Doomsday caught up to and intercepted flash while flash was running at near full speed. Thus he can easily hit Superman and anyone else for that matter.
Doomsday is absolutely immune to all energy projection. Meaning that there is nothing Superman can do to him with his other powers (like heat vision, cold breath, etc.) The problem is that Superman wasn't suppose to kill him. He is far too superior to Superman. He's stronger, faster, more durable, and more agressive. And by the way, Doomsday can jump up to 50 miles in one leap. Hulk could only jump 3.

Originally posted by h1a8
Second, Doomsday is as fast (or faster than) flash (not when flash is moving in another dimension though). This is a fact! Many characters have said it in battle with Doomsday. Also, Doomsday caught up to and intercepted flash while flash was running at near full speed. Thus he can easily hit Superman and anyone else for that matter.

You got scans of this. I'm not saying it didin't happen, but it's kind of hard to believe.

Originally posted by Femi32
You got scans of this. I'm not saying it didin't happen, but it's kind of hard to believe.

I don't own the actual comics (Except Death of Superman) anymore. But I will definitely reorder them.
I believe they are:

Death of Superman
Doomsday Wars
The Hunter Prey books

I will try to give the scans from Death of Superman.
But if you have it then read:

the bottom of page 41 (Guy Gardener quote-A lantern).
superman's quote on page 65.
top of page 66 (booster gold quote)
and bottom picture on page 116 (jumping ability)

These are back up further by the other books though (Him catching Flash, etc.)

I think people forget how long ago the Death of Superman was. It took place in the beginning of 1993, only some 7 years from his Man of Steel reboot where he was pretty significantly depowered.

Compared to the distance from DoS to now, some 13+ years later during which Superman has consistently grown in power more and more, that is to say, Superman gained more power in the last 5 years than he did in the first 15 combined (which makes sense- the 11-15 year olds reading Silver Age Supes and Man of Steel, grow up to become the 30-somethings which control DC and make an effort to return some of those Silver Age aspects they remembered as children).

That was the trend of the era as even Wally/Flash only ran around super-sonic speeds and had a major metabolism handicap that required him to eat constantly to keep up his speed. So compared to today's power-levels, Doomsday outspeeding Flash or overcoming Superman's lesser invulnerability of the time, was fairly plausible. If current Supes faced off against that era's Doomsday, it would have easily gone to Superman.

As for dumping him in space. After tearing away most of Doomsday's green jumpsuit, that was the first thing he tried to do, but Doomsday was too quick and too strong and was able to twist out of Superman's grip...

Okay here is the problem...you create something great in this case Superman but you don't live forever and someone else have to follow your work. After 70 years a living rock with the shape of a man appears from space in this case Doomsday...it is a name?...Anyway, this is plain stupid. A very old comic he fights a beast from Kripton..."The history of Superman" documentary.

I get what you're saying, but that's a seperate topic- whether, in the metatexual context, Superman should die and/or how it was handled (I was only addressing the internal logic of the event, like the OP). Personally, I tend to agree that it was overall handled pretty poorly for the long run... for the short term there was a ton of hype and many non-comic readers picked up the book, but on repeat readings years later, I don't feel the story is nearly as powerful as it could have- or should have- been.

That said, I don't blame DC for trying. He wasn't a 70-year old icon at the time, he was a semi-stagnating (to be fair, nearly all books were suffering during this period) character only recently rebooted a mere 7 years ago. It's a risk and though it wasn't as great as it should have been, it still is a landmark... consider this, how many of us are more familiar with his death at the hands of Doomdsay than at the hands of Luthor Pre-Crisis? Those PC tales, more or less, didn't leave a mark on the mythos. Better or worse, we do remember Doomsday.

Originally posted by Supra
Why did this happen, there was no Big K involved, no nothing it was just a strength match. Superman is impervious to physical attacks if No K involved, or at least should be cause thats what his fater and the comics said.

Also in the comic, Supe never went super speed, he could have just doged all of Doomsdays attacks and he would have never gotten him. Then as Supe likes to do is throw stuff into the Sun, he could have just grabbed doomsday and done just that, but he did not. He could have also just thrown him into outerspace, and let him come back down and burn up in the atmosphere. He did none of those

What were doomsdays powers? Just Strength and hardness. Nothing Else, matched with supes....super strength, super speed, heat vison, freeze breath, super breath, invinsibility, aurora power shell from the yellow sun, smartest man on the earth,x-ray vision.

This makes no sense to me.

My question is why he died, and why the comic writers let this happend, and the only reason I can see why he died was that they wanted him to, and with a little research ....THEY DID!!

Read This

http://www.geocities.com/mbrown123/superman75.html

I can answer one thing that if he would have thrown him into the sun he would have kept being charged.

That sig must be 70 years old...U... If I were Superman this creature would not even stand. Superman always had a fragment of kryptonite...I make sure it swallows it.

I do remember myself seeing Superman say that Doomsday was incredibly quick. Also, Doomsday isn't really a true kryptonian. His story is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_%28comics%29

Superman isnt a dumb guy, I mean he's built most of the stuff in his Fortress. Highly advanced equipment far beyond stuff on Earth, I think he's more naive and trusting then dumb.

Too much of a good boy scout which gets him beat up a lot, but he knows it and continues to live that way. Main reason he gets so much respect, he's one of the most powerful beings in the universe and yet so gentle and caring.

I actually think it was a good thing. Overall it revitalized my interest in comic books, as well as many others. It suddenly made people realize that a superhero they probably took for granted for years was probably not going to return at all. Of course he was going to return, that was a given, but the purpose of it was to make people aware of him again, and it worked. And it had to be a new villain, one no one knew about so that the consumers would be kept completely in the dark, and would keep coming back for more any time something was mentioned about him. And I think they did a good job with Doomsday. Big ugly unstoppable monster. I think what worked was that you couldn't reason with him since he was just an unrelentless killing machine

Superman got DRUNK in Superman III, and hurt a lot of innocent people. He isn't near as pure or kind or gentle as other more powerful superhero's(DBZ) He was also killed by Doomsday b/c, well..........he is not the strongest being out there. There are many many stronger warriors with NO weaknesses that would wipe not only the floor with him but Doomsday as well.

You know, after hearing all this talk about Superman dying and stuff? He is invincible right? And Kryptonite is the only thing that can hurt him? Now, unless Doomsday shoved Kryptonite down his throat and chopped his body up into a million different pieces? I don't see how he could be killed? The death of Superman was made up for money, if the character actually Existed. He COULD NOT have been killed.

Originally posted by SuperTrevor
You know, after hearing all this talk about Superman dying and stuff? He is invincible right? And Kryptonite is the only thing that can hurt him? Now, unless Doomsday shoved Kryptonite down his throat and chopped his body up into a million different pieces? I don't see how he could be killed? The death of Superman was made up for money, if the character actually Existed. He COULD NOT have been killed.

Is there anywhere that actually explains HOW he was killed except for the simple explaniations like he was worn out and he couldnt handle it? I mean did his heart just give out or what? As strong as Superman is? I understand doomsday is very powerful, but just them throwing everything they have into eachother doesnt explain how they died? I just dont understand how that could happen?

Dude, are you serious? Superman is cool, but he isn't invincible. There are many many warriors that are way more powerful than him. Galactus, Living Tribunal, Apocolypse, any top DBZ fighter.....understand? There are many heros/villians that would kill Superman. So, don't think its wierd he died. He just got his butt kicked. NO ONE is invincible....and there is always someone stronger. Superman is one of many great warriors, but he is by far no where near the greatest. So I dont see what the big deal is about him dying.