Spiderman Villians VS The Xmen (no telepaths)

rhino vs collosus = collosus
cyclops vs. shocker = shocker (but shocker would be crippled)
sand man vs ice man (very interesting and actually done in the 80's cartoon 'spiderman and his amazing friends) but in the end = iceman
carnage vs. angel hahaha = carnage
green goblin vs. night crawler (hhhmmm...) i 'GUESS' = green goblin (but with a broken ankle)
bishop vs venom (sorry fanboys) = VENOM
doc oc (w/ adiantium tentacles) vs wolvy (w/ adiantium claws) = (hhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm...........) = wolvy ("ONLY" cause of his healin factor)(and also doc oc would have cut off wolvy's entire left arm from shoulder down((hehehe)).
Beast vs Lizard (nother good one) = after a long battle...=beast.

which brings us to:
collosus, ice man, wolverine (w/ 1 arm), and beast
VS.
shocker (crippled) (like cant move his legs), venom, carnage, green goblin (broken ankle),

while shocker and green goblin keep collosus busy, venom mutilates iceman while carnage mutilates (over an agonizingly long period of battle) wolverine.
collosus kills shocker and beast kills green goblin.

which leaves us with beast and collosus vs. venom and carnage.

close match. carnage, after a long period of time, kills beast. collosus, after a long period of time, 'ALMOST' kills venom, but in the end carnage comes and battles a vulnerable collosus, and after collosus kills carnage, venom kills collosus.

a very tired venom wins.

What did you do? Pull the winners out of a hat?

Hmmm... I was a bit more brutal with my matchups, I think. Anyways, I threw out the teamwork argument, because both teams are so powerful that none of the Xmen could ignore one opponent long enoguh to double team someone else.

Rhino vs Collosus: Collosus wins simply because he can just take more damage.

Shocker vs Nightcrawler: Nightcrawler teleports them both to some distant locale, and immediately after is electrocuted by Shocker. Both are out of the fight.

Sandman vs Iceman: Sandman shatters Iceman, thinks he's won and goes back to corporeal form while gloating. Iceman freezes the fluid in his brain (Iceman is all ice now, if you didn't know).

Lizard vs Wolverine: Wolvering snaps and guts Lizard after getting slapped around for a while.

Green Goblin vs Angel: Goblin get his glider destroyed, fights Angel on the ground until it becomes apaprent he can't win, blows them both up with pumpkin bombs (don't say Angel wouldn't land, he fights ground-bound opoonents on their terms all the time). Goblin doesn't die permanently, but is no more use in this fight.

Venom vs Bishop: Venom evades Bish till he runs out of stored up energy, gets close and tears him apart (maybe literally).

Carnage versus Beast: Carnage punctures most of Beast's major organs with those spiked tentacles of his, and guts him for good measure.

Doc Ock vs Cyclops: Cyclops goes easy on Ock, since he's a normal human without his extra arms. Doc capitolizes on this and snaps the boyscout's neck.

This leaves Doc Oc, Venom and Carnage versus Collosus, Iceman and Wolverine.

Doc vs Iceman: Doc breakes Iceman into several pieces and flings them in different directions.

Venom vs Wolverine: Wolverine takes Venom but is so badly hurt he's out of the fight.

Carnage vs Collosus: Collosus pulps Carnage's head in revenge for Beast's murder, no one mourns.

Finally, it's Collosus versus the good Doctor, and Collosus takes this because, yet again, there's nothign he can do to really hurt the Roosky. He can pin him down for a while, sure, but that's just a stalemate. Eventually Collosus wins.

Teamwork does not necessarily mean "double-teaming" it simply means they work together (defending each other, warning each other, etc.). Besides, the X-Men are trained to fight together. The above listed Spidey villians are not (yes, some have worked together but their own agendas always screw up their relationships and they possess no comeraderie). Think of a battle of two armies. The army with the better general has the best chance of winning because the general can command his army as a cohesive unit. The question of "fire-power" should be raised because both teams have their own assorted powers. My point is the X-Men will have order and precision with their maneauvers and the spidey villians will not. They will be controlled by chaos. Both of you guys seriously underestimate the scope of this entire battle.

DAMN Abbadon! I don't know what you're talking about on this one! This obviously has to be the same guy that wrote the DC vs. Marvel story line! And probably "maximum clonage," "onslaught," "heros reborne," and all sorts of true comic gold!

if spidy can out fight x men, then the spiderman foes could definetely do it. i mean doc oc alone could defeat spidy by himself. doc oc could take collosus. the odds are that doc oc would beat ice man too. i am not sure about wolvy. cause wolvy might be able to just slice doc oc's adamantium arms off. i think angel would be kinda useless, but a good match for reen goblin if anyway. admittingly it is an interesting battle.
it kinda reminds me of that old issue with hulk, spidy, and ghost rider vs. the sinister six.

Since when can Spider-man take on all the X-Men at once? If the original Spidey vs. Wolvie ended in a draw, imagine what would happen with the rest of the X-Men to back Wolvie up. And if you thinking about Secret Wars, re-read it. Spideys powers were augmented.

Ock couldn't even hurt collosus in his wildest dreams.

Oh wait I see, you're completely delirious!

Don't worry I'm a doctor, I prescribe you actually read a comic.

Ok, I don't think many of you know much about Green Goblin. He's stronger than Spider-Man and has a healing factor. A 'broken ankle' isn't going to affect him. Furthermore, Wolverine can't even get close to Ock and Venom is far superior to Wolvie in virtually every way. Wolvie has little chance against any of them. How the hell do you figure Wolverine can slice off Ock's adamantium arms? They're ADAMANTIUM! As for Beast vs. Lizard, Lizard will probably take it, based on the fact that he can take enormous amounts of punishment and come back as though it didn't faze him.

Doc Ock could physically dismantle anyone of the X-men listed, if he had his adamantium arms.

When he fought Hulk, he had both of his hands wrapped held, an arm, and his neck. Conceivably Ock could have choked Hulk out until he passed out or died. YES, Hulk is strong enough to forcibly move his arms while they were being held, but he was being suspended in the air like a sitting duck.

You base that on the fact that his arms were adamantium?

-AC

He states that his arms were significantly stronger when they were made out of adamantium. Not just their durablitiy, but their strength.

I wouldn't know what to tell you about normal ock. But i'm sure he'd still wax most of the X-men.

apart from his arms u gotta remember ock is human, iceman or cyclops could take him down relatively easily.

Iceman is the trump card for the X-men in this situation. There isn't anyone to negate his abilities, but Cyclops' optic blast could essentially be blocked by Ock's arms. It could even be deflected by 2 or 3 of them while using the other two to attack him.

Cyclops is human too.

Well we've seen what Hulk thinks of adamantium before so I'm not too sure what the arms are made out would matter. Hulk could probably withstand the punishment long enough to tear them off or hurl something so big that Ock couldn't handle.

-AC

of course link, but the reason the x-men win so many battles is because they work together. any other member could distract ock, all cyclops needs is one clear shot. i believe colossus is also a massive trump card.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well we've seen what Hulk thinks of adamantium before so I'm not too sure what the arms are made out would matter. Hulk could probably withstand the punishment long enough to tear them off or hurl something so big that Ock couldn't handle.

-AC

The punishment is somewhat questionable. While both his arms and a leg were being held, Ock got some REALLY nice face shots in on Hulk and it tore his face up pretty good. No telling what 5 minutes of that would result in....

Hurling something that big sounds plausible and would probably work, but essentially the arms would protect the Doc himself from taking the blunt of the abuse.

And I'm not too sure about the tearing off of the claws, but with Hulk...anything is possible.

But Colossus is no Hulk.

Originally posted by pr1983
of course link, but the reason the x-men win so many battles is because they work together. any other member could distract ock, all cyclops needs is one clear shot. i believe colossus is also a massive trump card.

I totally agree.

And infact, i believe I picked the X-men for that particular reason in my first post.

I'm really making this arguement for those people who are like "Wolverine and Colossus could take them all 2 on 8" (or however many)

your right link, but i believe colossus could go one on one with any of em, but not two or three at the same time, your right.

wolverine is the same. cyclops and iceman would have to supress the others, while colossus, beast and wolvie did the dirty work, as for angel, i dunno what he can do.

get his ass handed to him by the Green Goblin or Venom.