Jury debates over Scott Peterson’s fate…

Originally posted by Kontraz
i think he only deserves life. Because the state he's being tried in allows abortions (no, lets not debate abortion here...) IF the state was to outlaw abortion, then i would consider it a double-murder, and he should get death, but since abortion is legal, i believe it should only be considered a single murder, and he should get life.

EDIT: in this case, it isnt a matter of morality with me, but the state needs to decide whether killing (removing, etc) a fetus is actually killing it or not, it can not be considered one in situation A, but the other in situation B. Either abortion is murder, and killing a preg woman is double, or abortion is not murder, and killing a preg woman is single.

Like you said, let's not debate abortion here. 😛

Originally posted by Kontraz
as i've said before, murder and killing are 2 different things. In the original text, the "thou shalt not kill" was the "kill" as in murder, whereas the punishment was simply "put to death".

actually, our laws were based on the laws of the old testament (debatebly, they were at least in part, and that is pretty much unargueable) and those were god's laws.

Not really.. the ten commandments were loosely based on universal rules that already existed in many places.. all they did different was claim their commandments were a direct order from god. It was already wrong to commit adultery before the ten commandments, it was wrong to kill, it was wrong to steal.

i wasnt talking about the 10 commandments, i was talking about hebrew law.

Ok.. but the thing is there were already laws like that before Abraham or the Hebrew religion even existed as well. And my point in the first place was, god saying "do not murder" means "do not kill when it is against the law to kill." So that means hypothetically if we changed the laws to where it was ok to kill people on every 3rd tuesday of the month, that wouldn't be considered wrong by the bible because it isn't technically murder?

That made very little sence to me slick!JM

Ok... I'll try to explain it better.

murder:

Noun
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. 2. Slang Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder. 3. A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.
Verb
Inflected forms: mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
Verb
tr. 1. To kill (another human) unlawfully. 2. To kill brutally or inhumanly. 3. To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances. 4. To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language. 5. Slang To defeat decisively; trounce.

As you can see, the main definition for murder is to kill another human unlawfully. The argument here is that since the death penalty is legal, it is ok to execute people since something legal can't be murder. Kontraz earlier said that it is ok by Christian standards because in the ten commandments, it originally said "thou shall not murder" instead of "thou shall not kill."

Murder is unlawfully(illegal) killing another human, and we control the laws. So if we changed the laws to say killing is legal no matter what.. than all killing would be fine by the bible's point of view because what we would be doing wouldn't be considered murder. You get it?

Yea I do but not to sound annoying or not.But abortion is murdering a human baby so how is that not againt the law and murdering a child or a grownup is?JM

The thing is though Jackie.. abortion isn't murder. People continue to think murdering means killing people, murder is only a legal term that means illegally killing people. Same thing as the death penalty.. it isn't murder because it is permitted by law. But does that make it ok? That's up for you to decide for yourself.

Fry the perverted B@st@rd

When are they suppose to pass the judgment on him, anyone know?

Originally posted by Afro Cheese
The thing is though Jackie.. abortion isn't murder. People continue to think murdering means killing people, murder is only a legal term that means illegally killing people. Same thing as the death penalty.. it isn't murder because it is permitted by law. But does that make it ok? That's up for you to decide for yourself.

No, murder is killing without justification or cause.

Originally posted by RaventheOnly
No, murder is killing without justification or cause.

Oh well then abortion isn't murder because the "cause" is the mother not wanting a baby. The debatable point is whether that is justification.

murder:

Noun
1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. 2. Slang Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder. 3. A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.
Verb

It's a legal term. It's not really up to debate what murder means.. murder means a killing that isn't permitted by law, aka the unlawful killing of one human being by another."Killing without justification or cause" is too vague. There is always a cause to killing, and in the mind of the killer there is always justification. What decides what type of killing is justified?

they are announcing Scott Peterson's fate this afternoon...

bastard!

SCOTT GOT DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's been announced. Peterson sentenced to death. The Jury was unanimous.

Neat.

yes 🙁