KARATE KID vs Shang Chi & Iron Fist

Originally posted by Prep-Man
It's safe to say that Val's skills vastly exceed both together. Remember, Val knows every MA in the UNIVERSE. He took out Black Tiger (who is vastly superior to both as well). and with ease. Remember, Emerald Empress is the most deadly assassin in the universe and has mastered most forms of fighting in the Galaxy. Yet, Val one-shotted her.

knowing a lot of fighting forms doesnt make you a better fighter as was proven over and over again here , the fact that he knows many forms of fighting doesnt mean he is the better fighter

you are throwing speculation as they were facts please provide a proof that KK is more skilled then both iron fist and shang chi and prove that black tiger is also more skilled because you are trolling

KK also got even matches against batman and lady shiva so? iron fist and shang chi are also great fighters with the ability of hurting super human characters with there skills

Originally posted by Spectrumenian
knowing a lot of fighting forms doesnt make you a better fighter as was proven over and over again here , the fact that he knows many forms of fighting doesnt mean he is the better fighter

you are throwing speculation as they were facts please provide a proof that KK is more skilled then both iron fist and shang chi and prove that black tiger is also more skilled because you are trolling

KK also got even matches against batman and lady shiva so? iron fist and shang chi are also great fighters with the ability of hurting super human characters with there skills

Val's skills are just more vast. He's tuned his skills to find weak points, enhance his stats, and on top of that has harmed metas much more than Shang or IF. Ever heard of Mon-el or superboy?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Val's skills are just more vast. He's tuned his skills to find weak points, enhance his stats, and on top of that has harmed metas much more than Shang or IF. Ever heard of Mon-el or superboy?

it doesnt work this way, KK got the ability to hurt characters with super human durability also can both iron fist and shang chi but the fact is that it doesnt matter if shang chi or iron fist can hurt someone at superboy level or not because its not a contest of who can inflict more damage but the fact that they can hurt KK is more then enough, both iron fist and shang chi can amp there chi to thepoint they will be able to hurt KK, now karate kid was able to hurt superboy due to the fact he is far more skilled then him and he got blows that can hurt him like gamora was able to hurt thor and thanos but it doesnt mean KK is a god it just means he got the perfect combination to fight bricks, now iron fist and shang chi got the ability to hurt him and they got skills that match his as well so basically they are preety even and shang chi and iron fist together are too much for kk

Originally posted by Spectrumenian
it doesnt work this way, KK got the ability to hurt characters with super human durability also can both iron fist and shang chi but the fact is that it doesnt matter if shang chi or iron fist can hurt someone at superboy level or not because its not a contest of who can inflict more damage but the fact that they can hurt KK is more then enough, both iron fist and shang chi can amp there chi to thepoint they will be able to hurt KK, now karate kid was able to hurt superboy due to the fact he is far more skilled then him and he got blows that can hurt him like gamora was able to hurt thor and thanos but it doesnt mean KK is a god it just means he got the perfect combination to fight bricks, now iron fist and shang chi got the ability to hurt him and they got skills that match his as well so basically they are preety even and shang chi and iron fist together are too much for kk

Both are nowhere near Val. Val harmed and grappled Superboy, because he knew a MA that targeted meta humans. IF and Shang do not.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Both are nowhere near Val. Val harmed and grappled Superboy, because he knew a MA that targeted meta humans. IF and Shang do not.

again as i said this is not a competition of who fights meta humans the best ... its a fight of martial artists and its not a contest of who knows the most martial arts, they are skilled enough to hurt and beat down KK

what makes IF more skilled? I don't see it.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
what makes IF more skilled? I don't see it.

i never said IF is more skilled KK would beat each of them 1 on 1 but both of them vs KK ? i dont see him winning

Agree to disagree, but Val has taken entire armies and teams that were skilled. And it didn't stop him.

KK.

team ftw

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Val's skills are just more vast. He's tuned his skills to find weak points, enhance his stats, and on top of that has harmed metas much more than Shang or IF. Ever heard of Mon-el or superboy?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
It's safe to say that Val's skills vastly exceed both together. Remember, Val knows every MA in the UNIVERSE.

WTF kind of stupid shit is that! How does he know every MA in the entire Universe?

Originally posted by dmills
WTF kind of stupid shit is that! How does he know every MA in the entire Universe?

it is stupid, but its true. he's a master of every martial art.

Originally posted by dmills
Everything that you listed IF can do/has done as well. IF has knocked around the Thing, Iron man, Luke Cage, Colossus and the Wrecking crew before. And that was all PRE upgrade. And Superboy wasn't harmed in the slightest when Val grappled him.

Those are small change compared to Pre-crisis Karate Kid. Even Zero Hour, Val armorr was sparring against Mon-El at Super Speed. Does IF have Super Speed like KK? I don't think so. Has IF pinned a being on Pre-Crisis Superboy's level? I don't think so. Has IF shattered Secondary Adimantium? I don't think so. IF hasn't done half the things Val has.

Originally posted by dmills
WTF kind of stupid shit is that! How does he know every MA in the entire Universe?

http://www.comicvine.com/karate-kid/29-1269/all-images/108-212176/princessprojectrakaratekid/105-522002/

Val is a master of ALL known weapons and MA. Sounds stupid, but it's true.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it is stupid, but its true. he's a master of every martial art.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
http://www.comicvine.com/karate-kid/29-1269/all-images/108-212176/princessprojectrakaratekid/105-522002/

Val is a master of ALL known weapons and MA. Sounds stupid, but it's true.

An IF's chi allows him/her to do just about anything he/she focuses on doing. Hence Wah Sing-Wand breaking out of time stasis after focusing his chi and using his chi to reach out to broken machinery and reforming it into a giant mechanical avatar of himself. Danny's bare hands have been shown to be strong enough to bust up substances as hard as titanium without chi charging.

Originally posted by Mindset
Keyword is known.

Originally posted by dmills
An IF's chi allows him/her to do just about anything he/she focuses on doing. Hence Wah Sing-Wand breaking out of time stasis after focusing his chi and using his chi to reach out to broken machinery and reforming it into a giant mechanical avatar of himself. Danny's bare hands have been shown to be strong enough to bust up substances as hard as titanium without chi charging.

That's still not enough, IMO. Like I said, has IF restrained a being like Superboy to the ground? An ENRAGED, mind controlled Superboy? Val has for a bit. Val has better feats across the board, IMO. And is a lot faster than Shang or IF put together.