Strength: Thing by far due to being a class 90. Spiderman is now a class 10, so thing is roughly 9 times stronger.
Durability: Thing far more durable. Spiderman has peak-human to enhanced human durability, but he still can be shot stab and so forth. Thing however can withstand anti-tank shells, bullets, fire and so on. Thing is roughly 10 times as durable.
Stamina: Thing has the greater stamina. Spiderman now since his downgrade, his stamina may have dropped. Though if it has remained at the level it has been it means he can fight for roughly hour maybe more at peak. Thing can fight for several hours at peak and maybe even days.
Agility: Spiderman by far has the superior agility even after the down grade. Thing is extremely bulky and does not retain his human agility. He has roughly average human agility to lower. Spiderman however has superhuman agility that is beyond that of even individuals like wolverine, who also have superhuman agility. He is one of the most agile hero's on marvel earth.
Reflexes: Spiderman by far has the superior reflexes even after the down grade. Thing has good reflexes for his bulk, but even at best his reflexes are that of a humans. Physically fit human, but below the level of peak human or even that of Punisher level by measurable amount. Spiderman on the other hand has superhuman reflexes. He is able to dodge bullets after there fired. He has some of the greatest reflexes on Marvel earth
Combat speed: Spiderman by large majority even after his down grade. Thing has roughly human level combat speed, below the level of punisher, solo ect. Spiderman on the other hand has superhuman combat speed many times that of thing.
Range abilities: Spiderman is the only one out of the two combatants that contains range capabilities via web shooters.
Healing Factor: Spiderman is the superior. I have never witness Thing show the ability to heal wounds beyond that of a normal human. Spiderman has shown to have enhanced healing factor, but due to the downgrade given to Spiderman it would now be around peak-human ability. Neither one of these level healing factor would matter in fight.
Fighting Skills: Thing is the superior fighter by considerable margin. Spiderman has little formal training other then a few lesions from Captain America. Thing is an expert boxer and wrestler.
Intelligences: Spiderman by far has superior intellect. Thing though is no dumby and has above average intellect. Spiderman has a genius level IQ and is very knowledgeable in the sciences field.
Spiderman holds more advantages over thing in over all attributes. The problem is many of his attributes do not matter in a combat scenario such as this match up. Spiderman’s greater intelligence and healing factor will be unable to aid him in this encounter. His healing factor is not strong enough to be effective in combat. His intelligences though would aid him with prep, it will not aid him in this match due to Thing being to intelligent to trick. So now Spiderman only advantages are range, agility, reflex and combat speed. This will aid him in not being hit. However he lacks the strength to physically KO Thing. His range abilities though able to distract thing and even slow the thing down they are not able to produce enough force to stop the Thing. In the end Thing greater durability, strength and stamina will allow him to out last Spiderman and gain the hit he needs to end the fight.
9/10 Thing.
Originally posted by Batroc
Spidey is smarter overall, but Thing is more 'combat smart' than Spidey. I don't think a punch from Spidey will do much of anything to the Thing (and even Hulk has hurt his hand hitting the Thing). Also he isn't just going to stand around and be a target for Spidey's long range attacks. We're not talking Rhino here!
Also : Thunderclap!!!! If this stuns Spidey or slows him up, then the Thing, who is as fast as a trained athlete, has a chance to grab him.
When did the Hulk hurt his hand, punching Ben-if he did it was PIS. Hulk has smashed through a lot of hard surfaces without injury and he has greater durability than the Thing anyway
Originally posted by Battlehammer😱 That was actually a pretty good breakdown Capt.
Strength: Thing by far due to being a class 90. Spiderman is now a class 10, so thing is roughly 9 times stronger.Durability: Thing far more durable. Spiderman has peak-human to enhanced human durability, but he still can be shot stab and so forth. Thing however can withstand anti-tank shells, bullets, fire and so on. Thing is roughly 10 times as durable.
Stamina: Thing has the greater stamina. Spiderman now since his downgrade, his stamina may have dropped. Though if it has remained at the level it has been it means he can fight for roughly hour maybe more at peak. Thing can fight for several hours at peak and maybe even days.
Agility: Spiderman by far has the superior agility even after the down grade. Thing is extremely bulky and does not retain his human agility. He has roughly average human agility to lower. Spiderman however has superhuman agility that is beyond that of even individuals like wolverine, who also have superhuman agility. He is one of the most agile hero's on marvel earth.
Reflexes: Spiderman by far has the superior reflexes even after the down grade. Thing has good reflexes for his bulk, but even at best his reflexes are that of a humans. Physically fit human, but below the level of peak human or even that of Punisher level by measurable amount. Spiderman on the other hand has superhuman reflexes. He is able to dodge bullets after there fired. He has some of the greatest reflexes on Marvel earth
Combat speed: Spiderman by large majority even after his down grade. Thing has roughly human level combat speed, below the level of punisher, solo ect. Spiderman on the other hand has superhuman combat speed many times that of thing.
Range abilities: Spiderman is the only one out of the two combatants that contains range capabilities via web shooters.
Healing Factor: Spiderman is the superior. I have never witness Thing show the ability to heal wounds beyond that of a normal human. Spiderman has shown to have enhanced healing factor, but due to the downgrade given to Spiderman it would now be around peak-human ability. Neither one of these level healing factor would matter in fight.
Fighting Skills: Thing is the superior fighter by considerable margin. Spiderman has little formal training other then a few lesions from Captain America. Thing is an expert boxer and wrestler.
Intelligences: Spiderman by far has superior intellect. Thing though is no dumby and has above average intellect. Spiderman has a genius level IQ and is very knowledgeable in the sciences field.
Spiderman holds more advantages over thing in over all attributes. The problem is many of his attributes do not matter in a combat scenario such as this match up. Spiderman’s greater intelligence and healing factor will be unable to aid him in this encounter. His healing factor is not strong enough to be effective in combat. His intelligences though would aid him with prep, it will not aid him in this match due to Thing being to intelligent to trick. So now Spiderman only advantages are range, agility, reflex and combat speed. This will aid him in not being hit. However he lacks the strength to physically KO Thing. His range abilities though able to distract thing and even slow the thing down they are not able to produce enough force to stop the Thing. In the end Thing greater durability, strength and stamina will allow him to out last Spiderman and gain the hit he needs to end the fight.
9/10 Thing.
Except I'd say Spiderman at the very least has equal fighting skills. He may not have as much formal training, but fighting supervillians since being a teen he has developed his own fighting style.
Also Spiderman can fight for more than an hour, remember he has enhanced endurance and accelerated healing. Also not sure if his strength was dropped down to 10 tons with the BND retcon.
And Thing does have range attack, via thunderclap.
Originally posted by Mindset
Except I'd say Spiderman at the very least has equal fighting skills. He may not have as much formal training, but fighting supervillians since being a teen he has developed his own fighting style.Also Spiderman can fight for more than an hour, remember he has enhanced endurance and accelerated healing. Also not sure if his strength was dropped down to 10 tons with the BND retcon.
And Thing does have range attack, via thunderclap.
He not at all. His style would be far more effective with training. He not on things level or even very close. If you took away both powers and had them fight, Ben would stomp Pete 10/10.
Yes he can,but he can't fight at peak for more then an hour nor has he shown to be able too. His healing is far to weak to grant him any real stamina. He has slight meta human stamina at best. Hell is Longest battle was with morlun and he kept attempting to rest and was far from peak after an hour.
All his upgrades for the last 15 years are gone. He has web shotters. His trength is back at 10 tons and his limited healing factor most likly was dropped down even further.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
He not at all. His style would be far more effective with training. He not on things level or even very close. If you took away both powers and had them fight, Ben would stomp Pete 10/10.Yes he can,but he can't fight at peak for more then an hour nor has he shown to be able too. His healing is far to weak to grant him any real stamina. He has slight meta human stamina at best. Hell is Longest battle was with morlun and he kept attempting to rest and was far from peak after an hour.
All his upgrades for the last 15 years are gone. He has web shotters. His trength is back at 10 tons and his limited healing factor most likly was dropped down even further.
You can't take away both their powers and have them fight and think it would be even, Peter's fighting style is built off of his powers...
He healed from a bullet wound over night, while riding a missile it blew up in the air, he was in the immediate vicinity and he healed within dies, and this was while he was weak already.
The fight from Morlun if I remember correctly was longer than an hour and Morlun sucks the energy from Peter, not really a good example.
Originally posted by Mindset
You can't take away both their powers and have them fight and think it would be even, Peter's fighting style is built off of his powers...
Originally posted by Mindset
He healed from a bullet wound over night, while riding a missile it blew up in the air, he was in the immediate vicinity and he healed within dies, and this was while he was weak already.
and he almost died he was rushed to the hospital.
Like I said his healing factor is useless in battle.
Originally posted by Mindset
The fight from Morlun if I remember correctly was longer than an hour and Morlun sucks the energy from Peter, not really a good example.
It really was not that Long 2 hours max and spiderman before the first hour was not at peak.
Like I said peter can fight at peak for an hour after that his stamina gives and he becomes slower.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Like I said it his attributes not his skill. skill has nothing to do with ones powers.No he dident.
and he almost died he was rushed to the hospital.
Like I said his healing factor is useless in battle.
It really was not that Long 2 hours max and spiderman before the first hour was not at peak.
Like I said peter can fight at peak for an hour after that his stamina gives and he becomes slower.
Oops, I was thinking of him breaking an arm and it healing overnight. 😮
But there is still the time with the missile.
And like I already had mentioned before, the Spiderman Morlun fight is not a good basis for your claims of his endurance. As Morlun sucks the energy out of Spiderman.
Originally posted by Mindset
You are not getting what I'm saying, because of his powers he was able to develope a unique fighting style. A style that only he can do because of his powers, true, but that really means nothing. You wouldn't take a samurai's sword away from him and expect him to fight on the same level as with it would you? His powers are to him as a sword would be to a swordsman.Oops, I was thinking of him breaking an arm and it healing overnight. 😮
But there is still the time with the missile.
And like I already had mentioned before, the Spiderman Morlun fight is not a good basis for your claims of his endurance. As Morlun sucks the energy out of Spiderman.
OH I know what you mean,but the fact is it not skill he using his atrributes and relying on his spidersenses. Any one could do that with his abilities. Ben reily did it.
again like I said it be useless in a fight.
he went to the hospital.
it spidermans best feats of stamina to date. If you don't use it then spidermans shown crap for stamina.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
OH I know what you mean,but the fact is it not skill he using his atrributes and relying on his spidersenses. Any one could do that with his abilities. Ben reily did it.again like I said it be useless in a fight.
he went to the hospital.
it spidermans best feats of stamina to date. If you don't use it then spidermans shown crap for stamina.
Ben Reilly was his clone, he had his memories and experiences, of course he could use his powers like Pete. Just because he is dependent on his powers does not make it not a skill, if you gave his exact same powers to some regular guy and had him fight Pete he'd lose. The fact still remains that Spiderman has a fighting system, whether it relys on his abilities is irrelevant.
Well his was able to fight Morlun for more than an hour while being hurt and having his powers/energy drained. That should be enough to show he has enhanced endurance. Is it in the league of Wolverine, no, but it is metahuman level endurance regardless.
Originally posted by Mindset
Ben Reilly was his clone, he had his memories and experiences, of course he could use his powers like Pete. Just because he is dependent on his powers does not make it not a skill, if you gave his exact same powers to some regular guy and had him fight Pete he'd lose. The fact still remains that Spiderman has a fighting system, whether it relys on his abilities is irrelevant.
He only lose to peter becuase peter has vastly mroe experience with his powers.
His fighting system relies on his powers not skill. With out his powers he get stomp by Ben.
Like I said he not as skilled. He maybe be as effective,but not skilled.
Originally posted by Mindset
Well his was able to fight Morlun for more than an hour while being hurt and having his powers/energy drained. That should be enough to show he has enhanced endurance. Is it in the league of Wolverine, no, but it is metahuman level endurance regardless.
Like I said he can retain his peak ability for roughly an hour before he begins to tire.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
Strength: Thing by far due to being a class 90. Spiderman is now a class 10, so thing is roughly 9 times stronger.Durability: Thing far more durable. Spiderman has peak-human to enhanced human durability, but he still can be shot stab and so forth. Thing however can withstand anti-tank shells, bullets, fire and so on. Thing is roughly 10 times as durable.
Stamina: Thing has the greater stamina. Spiderman now since his downgrade, his stamina may have dropped. Though if it has remained at the level it has been it means he can fight for roughly hour maybe more at peak. Thing can fight for several hours at peak and maybe even days.
Agility: Spiderman by far has the superior agility even after the down grade. Thing is extremely bulky and does not retain his human agility. He has roughly average human agility to lower. Spiderman however has superhuman agility that is beyond that of even individuals like wolverine, who also have superhuman agility. He is one of the most agile hero's on marvel earth.
Reflexes: Spiderman by far has the superior reflexes even after the down grade. Thing has good reflexes for his bulk, but even at best his reflexes are that of a humans. Physically fit human, but below the level of peak human or even that of Punisher level by measurable amount. Spiderman on the other hand has superhuman reflexes. He is able to dodge bullets after there fired. He has some of the greatest reflexes on Marvel earth
Combat speed: Spiderman by large majority even after his down grade. Thing has roughly human level combat speed, below the level of punisher, solo ect. Spiderman on the other hand has superhuman combat speed many times that of thing.
Range abilities: Spiderman is the only one out of the two combatants that contains range capabilities via web shooters.
Healing Factor: Spiderman is the superior. I have never witness Thing show the ability to heal wounds beyond that of a normal human. Spiderman has shown to have enhanced healing factor, but due to the downgrade given to Spiderman it would now be around peak-human ability. Neither one of these level healing factor would matter in fight.
Fighting Skills: Thing is the superior fighter by considerable margin. Spiderman has little formal training other then a few lesions from Captain America. Thing is an expert boxer and wrestler.
Intelligences: Spiderman by far has superior intellect. Thing though is no dumby and has above average intellect. Spiderman has a genius level IQ and is very knowledgeable in the sciences field.
Spiderman holds more advantages over thing in over all attributes. The problem is many of his attributes do not matter in a combat scenario such as this match up. Spiderman’s greater intelligence and healing factor will be unable to aid him in this encounter. His healing factor is not strong enough to be effective in combat. His intelligences though would aid him with prep, it will not aid him in this match due to Thing being to intelligent to trick. So now Spiderman only advantages are range, agility, reflex and combat speed. This will aid him in not being hit. However he lacks the strength to physically KO Thing. His range abilities though able to distract thing and even slow the thing down they are not able to produce enough force to stop the Thing. In the end Thing greater durability, strength and stamina will allow him to out last Spiderman and gain the hit he needs to end the fight.
9/10 Thing.
I have to admit you got that just about right Battlehammer-why do they call you Capt, was it a former screen name?
Originally posted by Darth Martin
Feats like what?
Feats like bracing a multistory building, lifting more than 40tons of metal
off his back, koing firelord (PIS maybe), etc.
Here's some scans:
lifts a tank
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lifts a building
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flicking a huge train car easily (and Paladin struggled to lift it).
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lifting a huge metro car
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lifts daily bugle
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http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8264/feat11strenght1xp1.jpg
Lifts a huge stone plug by himself that took him and she-hulk to lift before.
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Of course you know his most famous one
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Re: Spider Man vs. The Thing
Originally posted by Condor
May have been done before, but I didn't find it....Takes place in a modern urban setting.
In a modern urban setting , Spiderman can come up with ways of tricking the thing. Much like he does to Rhino for example. Spider sence, way more intelligent, and range would give Spiderman a slight advantage. Now Spidermans not going to beat him with any punch , kick, or webbing, but he can sure as hell use the environment against him. Thing has been K.O'D in the past with electrical currents. Something Spiderman's fully aware of when fighting characters that out class him by far in strength. I mean how in the Hell will Thing every even touch Spiderman ?
