One scene in ROTJ kinda baffles me

No again, I think Sith just use the Force for completely different purposes. If stuff like lightning and choking is just for destroying people, I am quite sure the Jedi wouldn't use it. Just like pacifists will not use guns... doesn't mean a pacifist can't FIRE a gun. They just don't use it.

I think that is the case with these powers. Luke uses choke, but then he's hardly a fully trained Jedi... maybe he doesn't have that clear distinction yet. And what Palpy may also mean with that lightning is that he is much stronger than half-trained-Luke... He subdued Anakin, and now he destroys the Jedi's last hope. That's the full power of the Dark Side he suggests, that the Dark Side overcomes all... But he was a little wrong there.

choke did not kill in my view. both with vader and luke.

as for the jew reference, was not really needed.

Originally posted by overlold
choke did not kill in my view.

since we're all quibbling over technicalities, i couldnt help but notice that there has been no actual proof on screen that force lightning can kill.

True, but we never saw it come to completion. So it's an educated guess that it certainly could.

Originally posted by overlold
choke did not kill in my view. both with vader and luke.

as for the jew reference, was not really needed.

Jew reference??? What are you talking about?

It's always been obvious to me that Luke did NOT kill those guards but just got them out of his way long enough to get by. He choked them, yes, but he didn't kill them.

oy vey! what am i being accused of saying, now?

Exactly... very strange.

Luke only applied the choking for a few seconds, and you can't choke to death in a few seconds, so if he's choking them he wasn't trying to kill them.

But, who knows? Maybe he inadvertently crushed a windpipe, or maybe he was also constricting a vein in the neck so they would pass out faster and he ruptured the vein, or caused a stroke or something. It's very possible one of them was seriously injured or killed.

This is a pet peeve of mine. Usually in the movies the hero bonks someone over the head (or gets bonked), and it is presumed they merely passed out to awaken later perfectly fine. But brain injuries are serious business, there could be hematomas, post-concussion syndrome, and a number of long-term health consequences that could mess up their lives for years.

I think I just saw yerssot.

Your eyes can deceive you.

The "choking" is a power of an inherently dark and evil nature is something that came after-the-fact, in the post-movie over-analysis.

He suffocated a talking pigman. F*ck that pigman.

I believe the entire opening sequence of Jedi is to show how the main characters have matured. We see Princess Leia act like a ruthless bounty hunter, then we see Lando disguise himself as an evil guard, then Luke enters wearing all black and throwing force chokes around. He nearly force grabbed a laser gun to straight up shoot Jabba! Only the pit trap stopped him! Sweet Princess Leia lays around in a sexy bikini waiting for her chance to choke Jabba to death!

The characters have adapted. They aren't the innocent goody-goods of Episode 4 anymore. They've been betrayed, beaten, and defeated at every turn. Luke using the force to get a couple of Pig Guards out of his way to save his friend is nothing.

Alright to clear this up here...

Almost immediately two Gamorreans stepped up, blocking his path. One spoke in a voice that did not invite debate. 'No chuba!'

Luke raised his hand and pointed at the guards. Before either could draw a weapon, they were both clutching their own throats, choking, gasping. They fell to their knees.

Luke lowered his hand and walked on. The guards, suddenly able to breathe again, slumped to the sanddrifted steps. They didn't follow.

- Taken from ROTJ novel

He didn't kill them, he choked them yes, but really just to immobilize them.

Ah, good one.