Originally posted by shadowy_blue
As for the Silmarils causing more harm then good, well it wasn't the jewels themselves that caused grief; it was the envy and want of them.It wasn't the Silmaril's fault. Everything happened because of the characters' actions.
✅ very unlike the ring...which does cause people to do bad things...which might stir another topic...😎
Originally posted by Mandos
-First, I never said the Silmarils were evil. They represent purity and that's why no evil can touch it. But everyone wants those pure things to themselves; GREED.
-Second, if there were no Silmarils, there would not be any Noldor on Arda. That means no Sirion elves and no Earendil. What he did was amazing because of the Silmarils (I am not saying that it was bad) but the war was brought by the Silmarils(Melkor stole them; GREED). The Silamrils helped Earendil, but without the Silmarils comming to Arda and the following of the Noldor, there wouldn't be an Earendil because there would be no war of the jewels.
-Third, it is true the elves at the Sirion prospered...for a time. Read the book to see what happened to them after. Because of the Silmarils.
-Fourth,(it's useless but I'm putting it there for the greed idea) the story of the death of Elwe killed by the dwarfes of Nargothrond was because they both wanted to keep the Silmarils; GREED. It is the principle reason why, even in LotR, elves and dwarfes don't like eachother.
-Fifth: It was true that, at one time, the Silmarils were important. But now, there's one in the sky, in the sea and in the ground. NOW, they are useless and the war over the jewels has brought more pain that happiness. Yes, they had the lights of the trees of the Valar inside but, if we look at it, it didn't do much difference (maybe except for Earendil who still navigates in the sky with one). No, I'm sorry, at the end, they were not very important, except for Mahedros and Maglor who had a serment to fullfill.
You spent a lot of time on that, I perceive. 😮💨
But those things that you mentioned still don't change the idea that...it was the characters' thoughts and actions that drove them to be greedy and do all those terrible things that they did. All the events that you posted about pointed out that it was the characters' dealings that made things end up the way they did.
I'll say it one more time: It's not the Silmarils' fault.
People are responsible with their own actions. Greed and evil things are everywhere, they're in everything, but it depends on the person on how to retort to them. Putting all the blame in three little shinies is erroneus, IMO.
Exa and I have already emphasized that a lot of times already.
As for the Silmarils causing more harm then good, well it wasn't the jewels themselves that caused grief; it was the envy and want of them.(GREED) You said it!
But do you suppose, like the ring controls the ringbearer with its ideas of power, that the Silmarils did the same with its ideas of beauty?
All this is in sharp contrast to the Master Ring which was hurled into the Cracks of Doom to be utterly destroyed. This is because it was, through and through, a thing of evil.
In some ways, the tale of the Silmarils was more tragic because these jewels started out as a thing of light and goodness. In my mind, the tale of Beleriand was the story of how the light became shattered and broken into many fragments. With the central light gone, each of us must cling to the little slivers that are left. Frodo actually became himself like the phial of Galadriel--a little sliver of light in a world of darkness.
So, while there are similarites between these objects, the differences are even more striking: one was an object of goodness that became perverted and shattered, while the other was evil from its first creation.
In your reply, you said alot of things I didn't mention that were, and I'm not insulting you, out of the subject. I only said the Silmarils brought greed and that at the end, it was useless. And to that I hold. I'm mot saying that the Silmarils were bad, but that they bring not evil, but close to it.
Oh well, now that it comes down to it, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just so long as they don't push it on others. Just remember that my opinions are my own and that you don't have to agree with me, although it would be nice. droolio
I don't have time to write anything now (school) but don't worry... I'LL BACKFIRE!!!!!!!!! MUAHAHAHAHA! I'll proove to you that I'm right. IS THERE ANY PEOPLE HERE HAT THINKS MY WAY ABOUT THOSE DAMNED JEWELS?
I used the word DAMNED not as an insult, but because at the very first moment Feanor created them, it was their destiny. Well, not at the beginning but you know what I mean.
Originally posted by Mandos
You're right. I didn't open much for other suggestions. I'm sorry.
But the fact is that, if its the beholder of the jewels that gets his heart corrupted by them, it doesn't changed the fact that it brought chaos to Beleriand.
Finally, we understand each other. 😉
*LOL..Smodden, sorry to disappoint* 😛
Whether you’re being sarcastic or genuine, whatever…LOL.
But the next time you get into a debate, you can still defend your side if you want, but just be open-minded enough to be aware that neither side will be right, (unless the debate revolves around fact-based subjects) and you have to respect the others who don’t agree with you. Restrain yourself from the obnoxious “I’m-right-and-all-of-you-are-wrong” implications. And puhleez…lessen the whole “try reading the book.” or “if you have read the book…you would know that blah, blah”, you get the idea. It ticks people off, really. Emphasizing that sounds so arrogant, not to mention futile because we OBVIOUSLY did read the book. Otherwise, we wouldn’t talk—let alone debate—with you about it.
Those are just some suggestions, with no disrespect to you, but take it for what you will.
Right be more open-minded that's what my philosophy teacher tells me...
Right thanks for the advice (and I'm not joking when I say it, and it's hard to believe when we are communicating by Internet. Also, I just wanted to say that when I said If you have read the book blablabla, it sounds obmoxious on the internet but I didn't mean it that way. Haaaaaaaa problems with the chatting I got...