Originally posted by Evil Dead
probability is a lie...........which has recently been proven with quantum physics/photons.given every possible route.......all are just as likely.......if there are three routes.......there's a 33.33333333% chance..........if there are only two there's a 50% chance.........it's called chaos.
What are you talking about? You're contradicting yourself. Probability is what says that given three equally likely routes, each has a 1/3 chance of happening (this is the principle of indifference, if anyone cares), but you think probability is a lie?
I have no idea what the original poster is really asking. The laws of probability are well-defined, and have been tested time and time again. You can use impericle data to determine what the probability of something is, and how the things you do relate to it. If you mean that you can't take into account every varioable, no ****. That doesn't make probability subjective in any way.
no Gregory......you are mistaken.
what I stated was the laws of percentage.........which is completely opposite from probability.
Since you nodded off in class alot.......I'll share with you.
percentage - each time a test is run......no matter what the previous results, all possible outcomes have the exact same chance of occuring. That chance is the whole 100% divided by the exact number of possible outcomes.
probability - a test is run multiple times and the outcome determined for each. Taking into account the results the previous times the test was run, a prediction is made as to what the outcome will be based on previous results.........which is where the term "pattern" comes in.
percentage - all possible outcomes have the exact same chance of being the result.
probability - previous data is taken into account and a hypothesis about the future results are made based on that data........searching for patterns that favor one possible outcome over the others.
sue your university if you did not learn that.....get your tuition back......it's basic, simple terms of scientific method.
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The laws of probability are well-defined, and have been tested time and time again. You can use impericle data to determine what the probability of something is, and how the things you do relate to it.
need to catch up on your quantum too..........
quantum physics has basically labelled probability null and void......it cannot be applied to anything at the quantum level, at all......everything is pure chaos at the quantum level. Since the theory does not hold true to all things anymore.......it has been tossed out for being flawed.....
You're a bit of a jackass, aren't you? The General Theory of Relativity doesn't work on the Quantum level either. Have physicists thrown that out, too, without me noticing?
Regarding the definition of probability you just made up ... well, you made it up. Not much else to say, really.
Edit: On reflection, you didn't "make up" that definition, but you are erronous in believing that it's the only valid one. It's not the definition used in classical (a priori) probability, for example.
Originally posted by Evil Dead
quantum physics has basically labelled probability null and void......it cannot be applied to anything at the quantum level, at all......everything is pure chaos at the quantum level. Since the theory does not hold true to all things anymore.......it has been tossed out for being flawed.....
Ay time you want to stop looking stupid try telling us what you mean by "at the quantum level."
quan·tum ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kwntm)
n. pl. quan·ta (-t)
A quantity or amount.
A specified portion.
Something that can be counted or measured.
Physics.
The smallest amount of a physical quantity that can exist independently
lev·el ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lvl)
n.
Relative position or rank on a scale: the local level of government; studying at the graduate level.
A relative degree, as of achievement, intensity, or concentration: an unsafe level of toxicity; a high level of frustration.
A natural or proper position, place, or stage: I finally found my own level in the business world.
Position along a vertical axis; height or depth: a platform at knee level.
A horizontal line or plane at right angles to the plumb.
The position or height of such a line or plane.
A flat, horizontal surface.
A land area of uniform elevation.
An instrument for ascertaining whether a surface is horizontal, vertical, or at a 45° angle, consisting essentially of an encased, liquid-filled tube containing an air bubble that moves to a center window when the instrument is set on an even plane. Also called spirit level.
Such a device combined with a telescope and used in surveying.
A computation of the difference in elevation between two points by using such a device.
You're a bit of a jackass, aren't you? The General Theory of Relativity doesn't work on the Quantum level either. Have physicists thrown that out, too, without me noticing?
why know they havn't as it pertains to our visual world......it has however been undermined alot, although it is still the best working theory (even as flawed as it is, pointed out by you) and will continue to be used as a model until an acceptable theory that covers both worlds arises.
Regarding the definition of probability you just made up ... well, you made it up. Not much else to say, really.Edit: On reflection, you didn't "make up" that definition, but you are erronous in believing that it's the only valid one. It's not the definition used in classical (a priori) probability, for example.
glad to see you edited that........I'd hate to think I wasted alot of money to just make stuff up off the top of my head.
Here Mr Zero.........I did a quick little google search for you........
boy don't I look stupid 😑
http://www.cosmopolis.com/topics/quantum-nonlocality.html
excerpt:
"At the quantum level, "particles" do not possess definite, deterministic qualities until they are measured"
Originally posted by Evil Dead
Here Mr Zero.........I did a quick little google search for you........boy don't I look stupid 😑
http://www.cosmopolis.com/topics/quantum-nonlocality.html
excerpt:
"At the quantum level, "particles" do not possess definite, deterministic qualities until they are measured"
yes, you look stupid.
I asked you what you meant by "at the quantum level." and you resorted to dictionary definitions of each individual word. "At the quantum level" is a trendy buzz word phrase you've used a few times and you obviously think it sounds impressive. Any time you want to tell me what you MEAN by it - i'm listening: till then, you look stupid.
The fact that you had to google for an answer, dont mind admitting that you had to do it means, yes, you guessed it - you look stupid.
The fact that you googled and still couldnt come up with anything - (key phrase "until they are measured" - probability is a system of measurement. Saying "if you dont measure it then probability does work" isn't coherent and makes you look... ah you know where I'm going with this already.
Dont misinterpret me : I'm not saying your initial argument is entirely incorrect, I'm just saying you obviously dont understand it.
makes you look stupid.
actually I do understand it.........excuse me for using universally acceptable terminology that most people who have studied physics at all understand.
I was actually baffled by you not understanding.......which is why I googled the term "quantum level" to show you that I'm not the only one who uses such terminology, many do and is quite accepted..........unless ofcourse you're in a heated meeting with physics professors.
in general........quantum level or quantum world refers to the microscopic world we are unable to see with our un-aided eye...........
Re: Is probability subjective?
Originally posted by AMN IncI think you're referring to the _accuracy_ of probability of an event in non-perfect conditions, i.e. the real world.
I think it is. I don't believe there is any way the chance of something happening can be expressed as a number. In a world of infinite variables, how can events be reduced to something as primitive as numbers?
Yes, you'll never get it 100% correct, especially with complex situations, but thats true for most maths and sciences when it comes to the real world.