because past say a 2 million dollar medical bill whats the cost analysis on that? Who is going to pay it? Where could resources have been allocated to better utilize that facility? Whats the chance of say a person thats alive/functioning getting a 2 million dollar medical bill (hint its not highly probable.)
So its a waste of resources time, money, professionals etc etc a HUGE DRAIN in my opinion.
Originally posted by soleran30
because past say a 2 million dollar medical bill whats the cost analysis on that? Who is going to pay it? Where could resources have been allocated to better utilize that facility? Whats the chance of say a person thats alive/functioning getting a 2 million dollar medical bill (hint its not highly probable.)So its a waste of resources time, money, professionals etc etc a HUGE DRAIN in my opinion.
Researching medically into the different types of these cases may one day bring an end to these bed ridden patients. You keep them alive and try to learn from whats wrong will help medicine progress to find cures. Thats how medicine works.
A lot of things that were thought to be impossible in the past are a reality today. Finding cures will reduce the time of the bed ridden patients in the future. I see what you mean but you are looking at the short term.
Originally posted by GCG
Researching medically into the different types of these cases may one day bring an end to these bed ridden patients. You keep them alive and try to learn from whats wrong will help medicine progress to find cures. Thats how medicine works.A lot of things that were thought to be impossible in the past are a reality today. Finding cures will reduce the time of the bed ridden patients in the future. I see what you mean but you are looking at the short term.
If you want to keep someone alive to perform tests pay the family for the guinea pig, don't charge them to learn on their dime. Here's a quick cost piece for hosiptal stays at least in the Midwest USA...........average stay roughly 3 days average cost 10,000$ based off BCBS midwest statistics. For 3 days nothing exceptionally life threatening happening, take that into perspective(midwest is inexpensive as compared to the coasts too)
Once again though not all patients will ask for euthanasia either, just like all pregnant women don't have abortions. We need to allow certain freedoms to exist in my opinion.
Originally posted by soleran30
If you want to keep someone alive to perform tests pay the family for the guinea pig, don't charge them to learn on their dime. Here's a quick cost piece for hosiptal stays at least in the Midwest USA...........average stay roughly 3 days average cost 10,000$ based off BCBS midwest statistics. For 3 days nothing exceptionally life threatening happening, take that into perspective(midwest is inexpensive as compared to the coasts too)
'guniea pigs' (I had a feeling you would have said that).
Why does the family have to pay those amounts and what happens if they dont have the money ?
Originally posted by soleran30
Once again though not all patients will ask for euthanasia either, just like all pregnant women don't have abortions. We need to allow certain freedoms to exist in my opinion.
Where is the freedom, when the patient is incapable of choosing ?
Originally posted by GCG
'guniea pigs' (I had a feeling you would have said that).Why does the family have to pay those amounts and what happens if they dont have the money ?
Where is the freedom, when the patient is incapable of choosing ?
Why does the family have to pay? Its expensive for the hospital therefore its expensive for you.
Say for instance your surviving spouse keeps you alive and you don't pay the bill they reposses your house, earnings, etc etc you go to the gutter. If they cannot pay well then the hospital itself cannot shut off the machine however they can help to "influence" your descision in that direction.
If the patient is incapable of choosing try a living will with no resusitation🙂
Originally posted by soleran30
Why does the family have to pay? Its expensive for the hospital therefore its expensive for you.Say for instance your surviving spouse keeps you alive and you don't pay the bill they reposses your house, earnings, etc etc you go to the gutter. If they cannot pay well then the hospital itself cannot shut off the machine however they can help to "influence" your descision in that direction.
If the patient is incapable of choosing try a living will with no resusitation🙂
There is no connection between the Hospital and 'you', unless you have the money to Privatise it.
How does it influence you ? If you face bills, your spouse:dead or alive, it does not matter, since you will still face the bills.
Your lecture of keeping someone alive at $10,000 for 3 days, just to simply keep them alive in connection with offcosting the said bill to their family, is in pieces. The family does not pay a dime.
How do you know that there is no living will Oh-most-learned Dr. ?
Originally posted by GCG
There is no connection between the Hospital and 'you', unless you have the money to Privatise it.How does it influence you ? If you face bills, your spouse:dead or alive, it does not matter, since you will still face the bills.
Your lecture of keeping someone alive at $10,000 for 3 days, just to simply keep them alive in connection with offcosting the said bill to their family, is in pieces. The family does not pay a dime.
How do you know that there is no living will Oh-most-learned Dr. ?
Dude are you in the USA?
I am not about to give you an in depth description of insurance for the USA and hospital systems if you don't already have a basic understanding of how they work here in the states.
That said I just didn't understand 2/3 of your post.
Originally posted by soleran30
Dude are you in the USA?I am not about to give you an in depth description of insurance for the USA and hospital systems if you don't already have a basic understanding of how they work here in the states.
That said I just didn't understand 2/3 of your post.
No 'Dude', I am not in the USA.
Please enlighten me, but dont tell me that if the family/spouse are unable to pay bills for basic daily support, that the Hospital system decides to terminate the service, cause if thats what you are trying to say, then I am glad i dont live in the USA.
Originally posted by GCG
No 'Dude', I am not in the USA.Please enlighten me, but dont tell me that if the family/spouse are unable to pay bills for basic daily support, that the Hospital system decides to terminate the service, cause if thats what you are trying to say, then I am glad i dont live in the USA.
I cannot answer that in respect to all cases. If you go to the ER you will receive treatment regardless of insurance or not. If you go to a doctors office or any other place without insurance they can deny treatment. Except in the ER as I explained. If the bill comes and you cannot pay well then there is a problem for the consumer of the service.
Originally posted by soleran30
I cannot answer that in respect to all cases. If you go to the ER you will receive treatment regardless of insurance or not. If you go to a doctors office or any other place without insurance they can deny treatment. Except in the ER as I explained.
Thats exactly what I meant when I said "there is no connection between the Hospital and 'you', unless you have the money to Privatise it."
Therefore, If there is not the sufficient funds to Privatise the support & treatments, you assign the patient to the Public Hospital. The family and the spouse don't fork out a dime. Therefore an off-cost is impossible in this case since the Hospital is public.
The spouse and family know better to reduce themselves to further misery by assigning their relative to a Private Hospital in which the economical aspect would stand against them.
Originally posted by GCG
Thats exactly what I meant when I said "there is no connection between the Hospital and 'you', unless you have the money to Privatise it."Therefore, If there is not the sufficient funds to Privatise the support & treatments, you assign the patient to the Public Hospital. The family and the spouse don't fork out a dime. Therefore an off-cost is impossible in this case since the Hospital is public.
The spouse and family know better to reduce themselves to further misery by assigning their relative to a Private Hospital in which the economical aspect would stand against them.
If you have no insurance indigent care is available in the USA most if not all hospitals have a quota to fill with this. It isn't the same level of care as a privatised system generally (which we would expect.)
The US system does allow for cases. Unless someone has a living will and something like a dual power of attorney then is "euthanasia" allowed in the US in most states. Its crap really in my opinion...........like I said give it a 2 million dollar cap then allow people to cut the cord.
Originally posted by soleran30
If you have no insurance indigent care is available in the USA most if not all hospitals have a quota to fill with this. It isn't the same level of care as a privatised system generally (which we would expect.)The US system does allow for cases. Unless someone has a living will and something like a dual power of attorney then is "euthanasia" allowed in the US in most states. Its crap really in my opinion...........like I said give it a 2 million dollar cap then allow people to cut the cord.
Still, you have the financial means to support them in a Private Hospital, you do so. IF your money runs out, you transfer them to the Public hospital. No reason to cut the cord when there is always an alternative.
AC> "Technically the state wouldn't be murdering, as the death penalty isn't unlawful."
Ah, yes, the semantics. I'll remember that.
Bardock> You're going semantic as well, aren't you? Show me a country where EVERYONE is in favour of the death penalty, please. Otherwise it is not "the society" killing a person convicted of murder...
Soleran30> Yes, most people fears death to a certain extent. But it looks as though you're not really reading the objections people have against euthanasia.
"If you go to a doctors office or any other place without insurance they can deny treatment."
REALLY??
GCG> No, I'm not putting a price-tag on anyone. Please read my entire post before responding in manner that shows you have not.
Originally posted by The Omega
Bardock> You're going semantic as well, aren't you? Show me a country where EVERYONE is in favour of the death penalty, please. Otherwise it is not "the society" killing a person convicted of murder...
No, not semantics...well technically not. But, it is indeed a Society that decides if the Death Penalty is acceptable. If a Majority is in favor or does not care about the Death Penalty it will stay in place. That's the way it is. Now, I am not in favor of the Death Penalty, nor really opposed to it, I am just saying that obviously, the society, as a very strong person (now that is semantics....to some extend), is able to use the death penalty and is morally not wrong for doing so.
Obviously AC will now step in and tell me that I should stop with the nonsensical and abstract philosophical Bullshit....but well, he will phrase it funny...so we all get something out of it.