Should girls be allowed to play football?

and what is feminine gestures/movement? not the same as it was only some years ago. it changes.

Male cheerleaders are all over the collegiate levels.

Guys get scholarships just for being the ones that throw the girls in the air and suspend them using only their hands.

In professional sports cheerleading isn't a competition....it's like a fashion show. Where there are only females and generally they are very attractive. It has almost nothing to do with their actual skill, and almost everything to do with their level of sex appeal.

And based on some of the marathons where those guys from Kenya and South Africa come in first place....I'm inclined to say that males are better, if not much better, marathon runners. Perhaps females bodies are better at handling the conditions and abuse of long distance running....but the males are generally faster.

You’re not afraid that men would loose their masculinity if they had to compete on a female level?

Originally posted by finti
it is the graceful way women move

what if the women is crippled or retarded

Originally posted by Linkalicious
In professional sports cheerleading isn't a competition....it's like a fashion show. Where there are only females and generally they are very attractive. It has almost nothing to do with their actual skill, and almost everything to do with their level of sex appeal.

Thats utter bullshit and you know it. Of course you need to have a skill to cheerlead - you even need to have a skill to do a fashion show, while we're at it.

I hope you are a. speaking from experience and b. have photos you will show me of yourself doing one there, Lil...

For purely academic purposes of course.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Sorry, Zero, I don't quite get the coherency of your logic there.

Thats because it was incoherent and inconsistent.

Boxing is a bad example because it already allows its "weaker / smaller" aficionados to avoid competing with the "best" boxers. I'm not saying i agree with that, it was just convenient to use it as an illustration. I still maintain that equality isn't going to be the norm 'till the notion of womens teams/mens teams is abolished. Not a popular POV - even amongst feminists.

However I maintain: If a sport can be won primarily because of greater body mass and muscle rather than skill - then it's not much of a sport. If having less women in professional sports is a result of that, but the effect is that the cause of sexual equality is furthered, so be it: I'm sure the WSPU would have thought the loss of the odd televised game of tennis rather a small price to pay.

Originally posted by finti
dont see why men should have to deduct their level down to the level of women.

DOWN to the level of women? Can you hear what you sound like?

I think your way might have better grounds with team sports than individual events.

With things being about physicality... well, it may be a shame, but in the end, when people go to see a long or high jump, they are after the people that jump the highest and longest! There is no real gender equality way around that one, and frankly I think it is of more harm to women to remove them from the equation so. As I say, equality of opportunity demands the segregation; I really don't see the equality cause being served by that idea, I am afraid.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I hope you are a. speaking from experience and b. have photos you will show me of yourself doing one there, Lil...

For purely academic purposes of course.

I was never a cheerleader, no. I was the one playing the sport.

I meant the fashion show!!!

Oh right.

Never done that either - I always hated being praised for the way i looked. I preferred people loving the way I think.

DOWN to the level of women? Can you hear what you sound like?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Oh right.

Never done that either - I always hated being praised for the way i looked. I preferred people loving the way I think.

You mean that big beautiful sexy brain of yours, huh?

(does that count as doing both at once?)

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Thats utter bullshit and you know it. Of course you need to have a skill to cheerlead - you even need to have a skill to do a fashion show, while we're at it.

actually it's not utter bullsh!t.

At the college level there are all sorts of competition. There are actually events typically called competitions where large numbers of schools compete by performing their choreographed routines against other schools.

At the professional level, there are no such competitions. There aren't nearly as many high risk acrobatic maneuvers. Actually, during timeouts most cheerleaders perform dance oriented stuff as oppose to tossing and tumbling. Where as in college you are more likely to see girls being thrown into the air...and stuff like that.

I think there was a little misunderstanding in interpretation...no biggie. I would never say cheerleaders don't have skill or athleticism, because they most certainly do. There just, generally, isn't the degree of competition at the professional level in comparison to the collegiate level.

There is no reason females should not be able to play football. It is more tame then rugby and my high school had a female rugby team.

M'eh... it is their choice.

I think the best way to deal with women's sports is to have a strictly women's league, and if a woman is very, very good and able to compete on the same level as men, allow her to try out for a men's team. "Equal," maybe not, but at some point we have to realize that most women are not physical equals with men. Hence there are different levels at which professional male and female atheletes are expected to perform.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Thats utter bullshit and you know it. Of course you need to have a skill to cheerlead - you even need to have a skill to do a fashion show, while we're at it.

Not necessarily. The cheerleaders at my school suck. Apparently if you're a girl all you have to do to make the team is know how to do a cartwheel. Then again, most of the cheerleaders are also ugly rich girls who wear too much makeup. So cheerleading isn't always a fashion show, nor does it always require skill. Very often, it just sucks in every way imaginable.

Do any of them wear spraypaint? 😄