Moondragon controlled Thor, Captain America, Iron Man etc rather easily a few times, even without the mind gem. But an enraged Thor could not be stopped like that in Blood and Thunder.
In the Secret Wars Illuminati issue it showed the assembled heroes and villains at the beginning of the war and Xavier said that he could have put them all to sleep with "one psychic command". Thor was shown there. On the other hand maybe Xavier was overestimating himself because so was Ultron, Magneto, Doom, Molecule Man... and Galactus.
An enraged Thor would probably win. Normal calm Thor probably not.
If a Telepath, even an extremely strong one, would be stupid enough to try and bluntly mind control an enraged powerhouse (like it often happens in the comics), he/she can't be helped. 🙄
But luckyly there are more clever and subtle mental tactics against which madness and fury does not shield:
- illusions, especially when playing along the current mental state of the target
- pulling astral forms to the astral plane
- disrupt connection between central nervous system and muscles
- overloading nervous system with psychic energy
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Rachel wasn't able to get Thor with a psychic bolt in time. Who's to say Xavier would have the time?
In my book it would be the most clever tactic for a telepath to start with a simple and very low invasive illusion which simply offsets the powerhouses targeting, thus buying enough time and leaving enough energy to try several other, more severe methods of getting him down.
Originally posted by wannabe
So? Mental Bolts are not the only way to beat him.In my book it would be the most clever tactic for a telepath to start with a simple and very low invasive illusion which simply offsets the powerhouses targeting, thus buying enough time and leaving enough energy to try several other, more severe methods of getting him down.
How's this gonna help? Rachel's mental bolts are at least as formidable and "fast" as Xavier's by his own admission. Xavier wasn't able to react by the time she pulled off several.
Like I said, any kind of attack from Thor = End.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
How's this gonna help? Rachel's mental bolts are at least as formidable and "fast" as Xavier's by his own admission. Xavier wasn't able to react by the time she pulled off several.Like I said, any kind of attack from Thor = End.
I didn't question Rachel's mental bolts AT ALL. On the contrary, i acknowledged their might by letting this tactic drop for Xavier, assuming he couldn't come up with better ones, and proposing another strategy.
Read my two previous posts thoroughly this time and your question will answer itself ... always assuming Xavier has reaction times at least as fast as Thor's (which according to you he hasn't), otherwise the norse god will obviously win with his first strike.
Originally posted by wannabe
???I didn't question Rachel's mental bolts AT ALL. On the contrary, i acknowledged their might by letting this tactic drop for Xavier, assuming he couldn't come up with better ones, and proposing another strategy.
Read my two previous posts thoroughly this time and your question will answer itself ... always assuming Xavier has reaction times at least as fast as Thor's (which according to you he hasn't), otherwise the norse god will obviously win with his first strike.
I understand the concept of using other methods to defeat Thor.
My point was that if Thor can fire off an attack before Rachel's mental bolt lands, Xavier won't be able to do much.
I can't believe you all! I mean honestly... you aren't real fans... ❌ I love Prof X.... he is amazing.... he is the creator of so many groups his most famous the AWESOME X-Men... but Thor would win. There is a reason he can't beat the Juggernaut or Magneto. HELMETS!!! The guy is handicapped so he couldn't get it off and Thor always wears that weird helmet to cover his outrageously long hair.... I can see it now in an interview
News man: I love your hair... what shampoo do you use?
Thor: Loreal ... because I'm worth it!
lmao.... but the Prof could never get the helmet off and without taking it off couldn't use his telepathy. Now if he had Nightcrawler or Logan or ONE of the X-Men with him it would work. But by himself?
PROF: (unfortunately) SCREWED