correct if im wrong please, but if im not mistaken in a recent spiderman(the on where eddie Brock got all religous and sold his suit to the highest bidder) spidy inimated that Venom was as strong as the Rhino, and that was after a semi crashed into him(venom) and he flipped away, so a guy with spidey's reflexes and agility with rhino streght hmmm i wonder?
that comic was not in marvel continuity as the entirety of marvel knights spiderman isn't. Anyway's the symbiotes physical strength in that comic is a manifestation of the hatred that the host feeds to it. The kid that the suit was sold to was full of rage..... spidey also states that this version of venom is twice the size of brock's. Anyway's those are diff power levels much the same as the ultimate universe has.
Anyway's the only reason I can figure that nobody is voting for sabes or even giving him a chance for that matter, is because they don't have any idea about who he is. It's a general concensus that sabretooth is just a wolverine rip off, but he isn't they differ greatly, if not in terms of overall abilities, than in character and power levels at least. The thing is if Venom gets into close quarters combat with sabretooth, he might get into some trouble. Venom is physically stronger than tooth, but not enough to do any real damage with brute force. Venom's deffinitely faster than tooth, but with a host to slow the symbiote down, it isn't by much. The thing is brute force won't work against venom since his symbiote will take the brunt force of any blows coming at him (even from characters in the 100 strngth class) with ease. lucky for sabretooth, he doesn't fight that way. Venom may not have many vonerabilites, but brock does. Blaze cut into the symbiote with a simple knife. Wolverine was able to hold his own against a suped up venom that didn't care about it's host, and he was also able to rip the symbiote to shredds. In a h2h fight sabretooth can bring down the human inside at the very most. But most likely venom will clean his clock using his vast array of more versatile weapons and abilities. He has too many ways to take sabes out. Venom for sure.
That Venom vs. Wolverine comic was one of the worst comics I've ever read in my life.
In that same comic Wolverine got nuked to his skeleton and came back in the very next panel.
There's no real way Wolverine could ever fight a symbiote alone like he did. That thing would surround him, go down his throat and kill him with ease. But NOOOOO he's Wolverine 🙄
So instead he just keeps swinging aimlessly, and it "cuts" the symbiote.
I dont know if you guys went over this, i didnt feel like reading all the posts. Sabretooth is stronger than wolverine, Faster than wolverine, has a better healing factor than wolverine, more durable than wolverine, and i would have to say sabretooth is slightly a better killer (but thats debatable). Wolverine only really has is a slight better hand to hand combat skills, i mean sabretooth now even has a adamantium skeleton. He has had several surgical procedures done to improve his strength, speed and healing factor.
Before his upgrades he shown strength of around 3 tons, with all of the strength improvements as a character his strength is unknown. Im not saying he could lift 11 tons but im not saying he couldnt.
If the symbiot has a host, like Eddie, then i would have to give this fight to sabretooth (although there is tons of ways for venom to win, there is also ways for sabretooth to win)
Venom (with Eddie) in a fight doesnt tend to use his suit as much as he should, if he goes hand to hand with sabretooth, his adamantium claws will rip right through his suit hitting something vital, and causing the suit pain.
I know for a fact sabretooth can take more pain than venom, and he has shown that he can take punches from 80 ton beasts (sasquatch). Sabretooth made a name for himself when he took out wendigo, and is one of the few people that has beaten wolverine several times.
Just some stuff to think about guys 😉
Umm... how would sabretooth actually hurt venom? Venom had a couple machine guns unload on his chest, and he healed almost instantly, able to sling the bullets back at the gunners. I mean, yeah, sabe can cut him up a bit (maybe, venom's agility isnt too bad, after all) but he'd heal right away. The symbiote is naturally self-defensive. If all else fails, Venom can just leap away, cloak, then use his webbing to just sling sabe around till he's dizzy. Really, its basically the same fight as with spidey, only venom is stronger, can cloak, and has a healing factor.
Originally posted by KontrazI mean, yeah, sabe can cut him up a bit (maybe, venom's agility isnt too bad, after all) but he'd heal right away. The symbiote is naturally self-defensive.?????????healing factor???????????????? If this is something new, i thought we were talking about classic venom, perhaps you are mistaken,
I think if venom gets cut his suit will help stop the bleeding, but it is also still a cut and it still hurts. I don't believe he has a healing factor though,
[QUOTE]Umm... how would sabretooth actually hurt venom? Venom had a couple machine guns unload on his chest, and he healed almost instantly, able to sling the bullets back at the gunners.
How could sabretooth hurt venom? Are you serious? His adamantium would slice through the suit through the skin hitting arteries, cutting bone, organs who knows, im not throwing this completely to sabretooth. But there is a lot of things sabretooth can rip to pieces.
his suit can catch bullets, as in, the bullets never penetrate his suit, but I dont think he has a healing factor. But please correct me if im wrong.
If all else fails, Venom can just leap away, cloak, then use his webbing to just sling sabe around till he's dizzy. Really, its basically the same fight as with spidey, only venom is stronger, can cloak, and has a healing factor.
Im not saying venom couldn't win, if anything I would give the majority of the fight to venom. At the same time im not throwing sabretooth out of the fight. He has thrown down with some heavy hitters.
Ah yes the classic move, just cloak and use his webbing to smash sabretooth into crap. Because when venom is cloaked sabretooth cant smell him or hear his heart beat 🙄
I never saw venom use such a weak technique, even when he is getting beat down he still stays in there to throw down.
I think Eddie once had a bomb in his chest cavity and the symbiot removed by cutting open his chest and yanking the bomb out. Can anyone confirm this?
Sabretooth should get something like 7 wins out of 10 against Venom. When ever Wolverine fights Venom, the two are pretty equal with the fight being able to go either way. Sabretooth should be able to over load the damage thresh hold of the symbiot before his healing factor is like wise over loaded.
Originally posted by talon00x
?????????healing factor???????????????? If this is something new, i thought we were talking about classic venom, perhaps you are mistaken,I think if venom gets cut his suit will help stop the bleeding, but it is also still a cut and it still hurts. I don't believe he has a healing factor though,
How could sabretooth hurt venom? Are you serious? His adamantium would slice through the suit through the skin hitting arteries, cutting bone, organs who knows, im not throwing this completely to sabretooth. But there is a lot of things sabretooth can rip to pieces.
his suit can catch bullets, as in, the bullets never penetrate his suit, but I dont think he has a healing factor. But please correct me if im wrong.
Im not saying venom couldn't win, if anything I would give the majority of the fight to venom. At the same time im not throwing sabretooth out of the fight. He has thrown down with some heavy hitters.
Ah yes the classic move, just cloak and use his webbing to smash sabretooth into crap. Because when venom is cloaked sabretooth cant smell him or hear his heart beat 🙄
I never saw venom use such a weak technique, even when he is getting beat down he still stays in there to throw down.
yeah, venom mentions his healing factor A LOT in his first self-titled series (was it lethal protector, or was that his 2nd?) either way, he uses it and mentions it a lot. Apparently, the only thing that can even HARM him is sonics and fire, and he heals pretty quickly against that too.
and, other than that venom (no brock) vs wolverine, when have the two fought? Not doubting you, srank, i just never read any where they actually got to duke it out.
Originally posted by Kontraz
yeah, venom mentions his healing factor A LOT in his first self-titled series (was it lethal protector, or was that his 2nd?) either way, he uses it and mentions it a lot. Apparently, the only thing that can even HARM him is sonics and fire, and he heals pretty quickly against that too.and, other than that venom (no brock) vs wolverine, when have the two fought? Not doubting you, srank, i just never read any where they actually got to duke it out.
They both fought in a nightmare world, it was extremely cool. I liked it because venom snuck up on wolverine and threw him through a tree limb. Wolverine just stood there for a sec then pulled himself out and healed.
They fought after that in the same book and it was very even, they fought underwater then over a waterfall, very tight stuff.
I have lethal protector and a lot of other venom comics Im going to check over them and get back too you aight =)
I am a fan of both these guys, venom and sabretotoh. They are both my favorites, im not being biased with this call i really think sabretooth could pull it off.
But at the same level, venom could very easily get the same break and beat sabretooth down.
This has always been my dream fight, wish they made a comic where these two met up 🙁
Alright the only thing that i could find was him talking about how his other taught him how to go through pain and recover quickly. I took that as he learned not to be a wimp like he use to be. Before he became venom you think he would have tried to step in and save his girl friend or ex girl (whatever) against someone like juggernaut.
Even if he does heal fast it would be like spidermans healing, not like sabretooths healing, or wolverine, deadpool, lady deathstrike etc.
What im saying is he wont heal fast enough to matter.
I think this fight would be very very even, if it went the distance with no interference it would be a great bout. This fight will probably come down to what day of the week it is lol idk i like these guys too much to pick.
well it's true venom's healing factor will be a non-factor if these two get close and personal, but venom can just stay away and tendril sabes up, he can instill nightmares in his brain and make him craz----oh yeah it's sabes... nevermind. But he can use his symbiote to attack from a distance,,,,of course venom rarely (and I mean rarely) fights likes this. hmmmm so if venom stays away than he'll win, if not than sabes.
Venom's healing factor is much much better than that of Spiderman's because the symbiote is able to speed up the process. Have you ever seen a Venom comic where he was STILL hurt after taking a beating?
He got a beat down from Juggernaut and from Hulk (different times) and no where throughout the rest of the comic, or comic series, does Venom complain about pain. You hit his knee....he doesn't go limping around...he keeps moving like normal.
Venom uses some rather unusual tactics when he fights. Sometimes he camoflauges and hides, other times he just uses his Symbiote to incapacitate his victims, but in general, he likes to slug it out with people. He doesn't tend to rely on his quickness so much as his double axe-handle smashes or his uppercuts. He's still quick as hell, he just doesn't do speed blitzes and stuff like Spidey.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
[Venom's healing factor is much much better than that of Spiderman's because the symbiote is able to speed up the process. ?I have read, and i own very many
[QUOTE]Have you ever seen a Venom comic where he was STILL hurt
after taking a beating
Actually yeah, and his suit repairs his cells quicker than humans, not faster than sabretooth. He probably heals 3 times faster than a normal human, it takes a normal person 3 days to completely heal from a papercut. Sabretooth will leave more than a papercut.
Venom uses some rather unusual tactics when he fights. Sometimes he camoflauges and hides, other times he just uses his Symbiote to incapacitate his victims, but in general, he likes to slug it out with people.
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😆 unusual tactics 😆 lol, he uses what hes got, thats like saying magnetos throwing metal around with his power is unusual.
Like you said most the time he just throws down with people (nothing unusual about a good old fashion nuckle buster) His suit isnt like carnags suit, it has a limit to how far it can stretch, if you notice when he stretches it too far it starts to come off of his body (which is an open target for sabretooth if he can manage to get through all that crap). I have seen him use his camouflage a few times, I dont think its his favorite tactic, Eddie Brock isnt too big on stealth. Sabretooth on the other hand is very good at it, but its hard to sneak up on someone that can see in every direction 🙁
He got a beat down from Juggernaut and from Hulk (different times) and no where throughout the rest of the comic, or comic series, does Venom complain about pain. You hit his knee....he doesn't go limping around...he keeps moving like normal.
Your exagerating, He almost died when he met up with juggernaut, the only reason he stayed alive was because of that crap that was talking to him. Then it suped him up a lot.
Everytime in lethal protector when it talks about venom recovering from an attack its talking about the suit recoverine not eddie. The soncis hurt the suit which hurt eddie but it takes the suit time to recover not eddie.
He doesn't tend to rely on his quickness so much as his double axe-handle smashes or his uppercuts. He's still quick as hell, he just doesn't do speed blitzes and stuff like Spidey.
Hes going to need some quickness to fight sabrtooth, if he doesnt hes dead, after reading where scarlet spider beat the crap out of venom im confident that sabretooth could cut him into pieces.
you do know that scarlet spidey only beat venom one on one because venom didnt know what the hell was going on. Not long before that, he and the real spiderman had come up with a truce, then s-spidey comes out of nowhere and starts attacking venom for apparently no reason, quickly getting the upper hand.
Originally posted by Kontraz
you do know that scarlet spidey only beat venom one on one because venom didnt know what the hell was going on. Not long before that, he and the real spiderman had come up with a truce, then s-spidey comes out of nowhere and starts attacking venom for apparently no reason, quickly getting the upper hand.
Your talking about the wrong one, but its ok i didnt say which comic. (i have that too though) im talking about Spiderman #53 the fall of venom.
In the very beginning venom screams "die impostor" as he is choking scarlet spider. He got no upper hand.
Okay lets get a few things straight spiderman can recover from things like broken bones over a couple of days. Venom has a healing factor that allowed him to shrug of getting stabbed by blaze like it was nothing. However......Venom doesn't heal as fast as Sabretooth, in close quarters combat, venom will get diced up too fast and too frequently for him to keep up with tooth. Also another big factor is that in a rip em and tear em contest tooth has an advantage in that he has less vounerable spots due to his adamantium skeleton, While venom would be more or less hard pressed to hit something vital and unprotected, Sabretooth can slash through his suit and bones like they're not even there, thus venom's organs and such are more easily accessable to tooth.
BUT, these fights unless otherwise stated are for characters to fight at their best are they not? if that's the case for venom, Sabretooth is in trouble, Venom can just tendril tooth from 40 feet away, he can use his webbing and he doesn't have to worry about recharging it, he can go stealth if he needs it (not that that would really help against sabes, but it couldn't hurt), and he's got more overall speed strength and agility. Whereas I feel that sabretooth can beat spidey,,,,,this is because spidey has some serious human limitations (not as fast healing factor, has to refill webbing, isn't as strong, isn't a versatile)
Venom's symbiote can do some real damage without putting brock in danger, and that's what makes the difference in this fight.
I think venom would win,,,,,but it would be very very close.
oh yeah, in return of the exile the only reason that spidey beat venom, was because he got extremely lucky and had a lot of new weapons that caught v-man off gard. When the two met up again in along came a spider, ben was scared for his life while venom was on the warpath and rightly so.
Originally posted by jinzinOkay lets get a few things straight spiderman can recover from things like broken bones over a couple of days. Venom has a healing factor that allowed him to shrug of getting stabbed by blaze like it was nothing. However......Venom doesn't heal as fast as Sabretooth, in close quarters combat, venom will get diced up too fast and too frequently for him to keep up with tooth.I understand that spiderman can recover form things like broken bones, his rate of healing is twice that of a normal person.
Ok shrug off getting stabbed by blaze.........to my knowledge blaze stabbed him in the shoulder. Not really a whole lot of major vital organs there. We have never seen venom get his throat riped out but i can imagine we would be able to heal fast enough to repair it. His suit could stop the bleeding and help his cells repair faster but, like you said he doesnt heal like sabretooth. Sabretooth doing something like that could very easily set sabretooth up for the big finish.
Also another big factor is that in a rip em and tear em contest tooth has an advantage in that he has less vounerable spots due to his adamantium skeleton, While venom would be more or less hard pressed to hit something vital and unprotected, Sabretooth can slash through his suit and bones like they're not even there, thus venom's organs and such are more easily accessable to tooth.
Yeah thats true, venoms suit is pretty thick he has to go in a little ways that gives venom some protection from some of his attacks, but not enough. Dont have to go too far to reach the throat.
BUT, these fights unless otherwise stated are for characters to fight at their best are they not? if that's the case for venom, Sabretooth is in trouble, Venom can just tendril tooth from 40 feet away, he can use his webbing and he doesn't have to worry about recharging it, he can go stealth if he needs it (not that that would really help against sabes, but it couldn't hurt), and he's got more overall speed strength and agility. Whereas I feel that sabretooth can beat spidey,,,,,this is because spidey has some serious human limitations (not as fast healing factor, has to refill webbing, isn't as strong, isn't a versatile)
lol I cant see sabretooth just standing there like an idiot letting this black tendril come at him from 40 ft away. someone of sabretooths speed and reflexes has plenty of time to move. Now if he did that and made it go underground that would be different.
yeah i would count stealth working too much, im sure sabretooth would just fake like he doesnt know where hes at and kill him.
He couldnt be that much faster than Victor, more agile yes, strength we dont know Victor's exact strength I think its somewhere around 7 or 8 tons after all of the strength upgrades he has gotten.
I dont see venom just hanging back fighting sabretooth, he didnt do that against wolverine, i dont think he would do that against sabretooth. Hes going to get close.
Venom's symbiote can do some real damage without putting brock in danger, and that's what makes the difference in this fight.
Yeah but he doesnt do that a lot, this will most likely be a close up fight, hand to hand. Thats how venom likes to fight it how sabretooth likes to fight.
oh yeah, in return of the exile the only reason that spidey beat venom, was because he got extremely lucky and had a lot of new weapons that caught v-man off gard. When the two met up again in along came a spider, ben was scared for his life while venom was on the warpath and rightly so.
Extreemly lucky, yeah but he still got the job done, i could care less if sabretooth got extreemly lucky, or venom gets extreemly lucky in this fight.
sabretooth would lose; the symbiote enhances your rage to maximum capacity. It makes you do thing you never thought you could do. The symbiote basically controls you. The symbiote tells you when its tired not the other way around. If the host is tired the symbiote pushes the host for more output. The symbiote has a never say die mode. To stop the symbiote TEMPORARILY you must stop the host and prevent it from spreading If not the rage of the symbiote will find you and kill you.