I'm just going to re-iterate... Why should the Jedi be so concerned about the Sith. The lousy "rule of two" really keeps them down, and they have no true means of being a real "revenge." Why should they be concerned? What, just only two Darths so long ago cause so much havoc and chaos and destruction? It doesn't make sense to me. From what I see, it took only one Jedi to take out a Sith, and he was even incapacitated for a moment!
Defenders will say, "but it was the student, not the master they took out."
And I say, but then how come Yoda and Mace are in question about it, especially if the master is suppose to be "more powerful" than the student?
There should have been more Sith, and Maul should've been a much more serious threat than what he was. From what I saw in the films he didn't do much. Half-heartedly chased after the princess, gave up, went to Naboo, didn't do much else, fought the Jedi. That's it.
Well i don't know if back-stories are considered canon, no-canon, or EU, but maul in his lifetime has killed i believe 7 Jedi, before he took out Qui-Gon, who was considered to be one of the best Jedi there was. Now I'm not disagreeing that Maul should have done more in the movie, but his destiny was fulfilled. He got the Sith back on the minds of the Jedi, so it as somewhat of a constant chatter amongst them, hence maybe raising some eyebrows about their being and power(possibly anakin).
I think Palps knew all along that he would eventually get Anakin as an apprentice, and thats why he sent maul out then. I also think Maul knew about his plan for Ani and thats why he tried to mow him over. If Maul had been more disciplined, i think he could have cut a bigger chunk out of the whole Jedi order than he did.
I think the reason for the Jedi's concern, was if the Sith master is destroyed, then so is the apprentice, SOOO, they were wondering if they had another one to worry about. You would think that they would then beef up training and all that just in case. But they have no idea of the amount of power that Sidious has, so they have no idea how to train for it. I read somewhere that we will see the true essence and power of the darkside and will see things we never dreamed of.
I'm serious!! Forget the EU, and I thought that wasn't considered canon here. If the Sith were serious about "taking over the universe," especially with the ridiculous "Rule of Two" in place, why risk losing an apprentice? Why waste all the time and effort in training and finding a student, train, only to lose them so pointlessly? There was real no point for Maul to fight QG and OB1. Hypothetically, if he had won, what then?
He's a throwaway villain, you say---yeah, so. Then I wasted several minutes in watching a duel that was for nothing.
I think Palps knew all along that he would eventually get Anakin as an apprentice, and thats why he sent maul out then. I also think Maul knew about his plan for Ani and thats why he tried to mow him over. If Maul had been more disciplined, i think he could have cut a bigger chunk out of the whole Jedi order than he did.
Where from do you infer this? Again, so many plotpoints, et. al. are inferred from sources outside the films themselves. Lucas failed in the prequels. Everything you need to know about characters, situations, etc., fit comfortably within the OT. You don't need to read the book, buy the video games, watch fanfilms, etc., etc... to know exactly what's going on in the original films.
Too often, people try to explain the inconsistencies in the prequels with thoughts, quotes, etc. They come up with some cockneyed explanation and try to apply it. If you need that much effort, and that much explanation to watch these films, then how can they be entertaining!? Lucas failed. He succeeded the first time with the OOT, he failed later in life with the PT. He let too much time pass, he got old and stale, his skills as a writer/director/producer atrophied and it shows.
Honestly, no one analyzes it like you. I watch it and enjoy it. But people come here to discuss different theories. I don't understand why you cant understand that. You want everyone to listen to you and all your arguments, but you don't listen to anyone else. Every time you read what someone else thinks you just say how stupid it is, and how much you despise SW. Well then why watch it if it pisses you off so much? you make all the inconsistent quotes. Thats the point of a forum, for people to come together and exchange notes, ideas, and thoughts. So why do you down talk all that.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Honestly, no one analyzes it like you. I watch it and enjoy it. But people come here to discuss different theories. I don't understand why you cant understand that. You want everyone to listen to you and all your arguments, but you don't listen to anyone else. Every time you read what someone else thinks you just say how stupid it is, and how much you despise SW. Well then why watch it if it pisses you off so much? you make all the inconsistent quotes. Thats the point of a forum, for people to come together and exchange notes, ideas, and thoughts. So why do you down talk all that.
Topic... "What's wrong with Maul..." I think I'm in the right topic. I have every right to be here and complain.
First, I've only seen Episode I only twice. First because it said "Star Wars" on it, and the second time to see if I really saw what I saw. My brother gave me the DVD just to irk me, but have not watched it since. I watched AOTC because I thought it would "make-up" for TPM and people told me I couldn't say anything bad about it until I saw it. So, out of obligation to them, and the hopes that'd it'd be better. It wasn't. At this pace, do you think I expect much from ROTS. Like I told someone else in another thread... If I like it, you'll be the first to know. My true hope for ROTS is if it's good enough, I can simply ignore the first two. We'll see, won't we?
But for now, I will continue to complain as much and often as I want.
And you know what, it's not that much analyzing.... It's just a little simple logic...
Ferret, Sidious used people the way he did, because he knew that if he manipulated everyone in a certain fashion, and did evereything carefully enough, he could manipulate Anakin, the being born to destroy Sidious, to the darkside. He knew with Vader as his enforcer, no one could stand up to his rule, and the only real threat to him was now his toy.
But for now, I will continue to complain as much and often as I want.
Ya know what. You have the mentality of a 12 year old. "ill do what i want, when i want." Dude, stfu. Ive tried to look at your posts with an open mind, but you contradict everything you say. You say you'll complain all you want, and you want us to deal with it and accept what you say, but if we complain, or use "logic" against you, you cry about it and say we shouldn't do it. If something makes you mad or disappoints you, WHY do you watch it or talk about it? And if you really did use your "simple logic" as you claim to do, you'll notice that i said nothing about you stopping or not to do that. I asked you "why". Which is a question rather than a statement. So your little comment is lacking in validity, as i never told you to stop sine the first time we've exchanged words.
Are you a little kid, or a grown man living in his rich parents basement? Seriously, because you have that mindset that says, "whatever i say is right and you're wrong no matter what." Why don't you just open up your mind to other people's opinions,....as you would like all of us to do.....
Originally posted by Flying Ferret
I'm serious!! Forget the EU, and I thought that wasn't considered canon here. If the Sith were serious about "taking over the universe," especially with the ridiculous "Rule of Two" in place, why risk losing an apprentice? Why waste all the time and effort in training and finding a student, train, only to lose them so pointlessly? There was real no point for Maul to fight QG and OB1. Hypothetically, if he had won, what then?He's a throwaway villain, you say---yeah, so. Then I wasted several minutes in watching a duel that was for nothing.
I think Palps knew all along that he would eventually get Anakin as an apprentice, and thats why he sent maul out then. I also think Maul knew about his plan for Ani and thats why he tried to mow him over. If Maul had been more disciplined, i think he could have cut a bigger chunk out of the whole Jedi order than he did.
Where from do you infer this? Again, so many plotpoints, et. al. are inferred from sources outside the films themselves. Lucas failed in the prequels. Everything you need to know about characters, situations, etc., fit comfortably within the OT. You don't need to read the book, buy the video games, watch fanfilms, etc., etc... to know exactly what's going on in the original films.
Too often, people try to explain the inconsistencies in the prequels with thoughts, quotes, etc. They come up with some cockneyed explanation and try to apply it. If you need that much effort, and that much explanation to watch these films, then how can they be entertaining!? Lucas failed. He succeeded the first time with the OOT, he failed later in life with the PT. He let too much time pass, he got old and stale, his skills as a writer/director/producer atrophied and it shows.
The entire point of the rule of two is to stop the Sith tearing themselves apart, like they tend to do.
Originally posted by antoinew888
yo u kno dey werent tattoos on his face wen he turns dark his face turns red an black an if u notice wen hes not his face wud b gray u dumbasses
He had his face tatooed, oh and please post in semi-legible sentences.
Originally posted by Flying Ferret
I'm just going to re-iterate... Why should the Jedi be so concerned about the Sith. The lousy "rule of two" really keeps them down, and they have no true means of being a real "revenge." Why should they be concerned? What, just only two Darths so long ago cause so much havoc and chaos and destruction? It doesn't make sense to me. From what I see, it took only one Jedi to take out a Sith, and he was even incapacitated for a moment!Defenders will say, "but it was the student, not the master they took out."
And I say, but then how come Yoda and Mace are in question about it, especially if the master is suppose to be "more powerful" than the student?
There should have been more Sith, and Maul should've been a much more serious threat than what he was. From what I saw in the films he didn't do much. Half-heartedly chased after the princess, gave up, went to Naboo, didn't do much else, fought the Jedi. That's it.
I think you're totally missing the point here: the fact that the Sith reemerged after a thousand years of being basically out of the picture and attack two jedi would be disturbing, because you have no idea what they're planning of if the one that was killed was the biggest threat. For all they could have guessed, the fallen Sith's master could have engineered their very destruction. And he did. Their fears and concerns were totally justified, and STILL Sidious remained undetected. If you're a soldier in a jungle outpost and you see a VC pop out of it and attack, aren't you gonna be a little bit concerned about your safety and the safety of the outpost?
As for Maul's purpose, it is twofold: He's there to appeal to fans (Which was a tremendous success; there are more Maul pictures on the internet than Obi-Wan) and to make an enemy for the sake of making one. Dooku was not even completely thought out (And most likely not thought of) at this point. Besides, it would make no sense if Maul was on Dooku's level of plotuse (Or was Dooku even) and was the errand boy in the first episode. He's too useful in another role. Maul, however, was a perfect minion to use- he stirred up the pot in the chaos around Naboo, which resulted in hostilities and advancements in the Separatist movement, and he showed the Jedi (arrogantly, even) that the Sith were back. But by sending such a brainless fool to go and either win or get killed, Sidious undermined the Jedi's confidence. It was a total success.
My mates all love Darth Maul, i hated him for the fact that he was so blind to the Palpatines need just to use him for a weapon, atleast Dooku had a political use and understood what it meant to be Sith, and therefore was interesting. Maul just said and did very little, and when in 1999 I was used to the power of watching Vader in Star Wars and Darth Maul walked on the screen, i wasnt impressed.