Rogue is skankier than all the Batgirls combined, eleveninches.
The current Batgirl is not Barbara Gordon-- who is a crippled computer genius called Oracle-- she is a martial arts master named Cassandra Cain who far exceeds her predecessor in fighting ability.
Either way, obviously Rogue would win, based on sheer power. Why is this post even here? Did Asian Hulk confuse movie Rogue (who would be eating floor half a second, whichever Batgirl she faced) with the real one?
Rogue is far from my favorite character, so it is with no love that I say that she is capable of superhuman speed and therefore has the ability to touch Batgirl. The fact that she's nigh-invulnerable means she doesn't have to worry much about retaliation. The worst thing Batgirl could do to Rogue would be to let the little corn pone touch her; the psychological trauma psychically absorbing Cassandra's screwed-up past would do worse than any physical blow she throws at Rogue. Rogue is far beyond Batgirl's class, whatever the little maniac's fighting skills. This is not a worthwhile debate.
Originally posted by FrothByte
but sooner or later batgirl would need to come close to attack. it would only take one hit from rogue
Which would be incredibly difficult to land, while hardly a given that she will land said punch. Is Rogue, in your opinion, vulnerable to pressure point attacks? Poison? Throat strikes?
Batgirl...is like...almost the perfect martial arts fighter; i.e. no stationary target. She is fast, she is nasty, and she is highly skilled, hence my scoffing at the "Rogue would crush Batgirl" comments.
Not so one-sided as it seems, is it?
Is Rogue, in your opinion, vulnerable to pressure point attacks? Poison? Throat strikes?
No, not really. Maybe a little bit susceptible, but she's been shown to shrug off the effects of poison quickly enough (right before Wolverine's wedding), and while a throat punch by the Thing would ruin her singing career for a month, mere mortals--even expert martial artists that were trained to kill in their diapers-- would be wasting their time trying to find Rogue's weak spot. Using lethal, high-tech weapons is the only thing that a human could do to really injure Rogue. Batgirl doesn't play that way, so she flees or she loses the fight.
Batgirl's speed and moves aren't a match for someone of Rogue's power. When they say Rogue has superhuman strength, speed, nigh-invulnerability, and all the rest of it, it's pretty straightforward and proved. They mean she's a big, bad mutant who can't be hurt by normal humans without heavy firepower. That's the whole point of Rogue: far more power than is needed to defeat people like Cassandra Cain, far too little personality for any of us to really care.
Originally posted by The Batman
No, not really. Maybe a little bit susceptible, but she's been shown to shrug off the effects of poison quickly enough (right before Wolverine's wedding), and while a throat punch by the Thing would ruin her singing career for a month, mere mortals--even expert martial artists that were trained to kill in their diapers-- would be wasting their time trying to find Rogue's weak spot. Using lethal, high-tech weapons is the only thing that a human could do to really injure Rogue. Batgirl doesn't play that way, so she flees or she loses the fight.Batgirl's speed and moves aren't a match for someone of Rogue's power. When they say Rogue has superhuman strength, speed, nigh-invulnerability, and all the rest of it, it's pretty straightforward and proved. They mean she's a big, bad mutant who can't be hurt by normal humans without heavy firepower. That's the whole point of Rogue: far more power than is needed to defeat people like Cassandra Cain, far too little personality for any of us to really care.
I agree with this completely! We're talking about a person who has withstood a punch so powerful that it knocked her out of the earths atmosphere, and she came right back down swinging. I dont think Batgirl could muster up enough power with a kick or punch to the throat or any nerve ending to cause any harm to Rogue. As mentioned above, some battles arent worth the time of debate, and I feel this is one of them.
Rogues pretty damn fast too. I think she could tag her.
Originally posted by BarmyBrummie
Erm, Rogue can touch her if she is wearing gloves which she always does 😬
We're talking about speed wise. There is some doubt as to wether Rogue could get her hands on Batgirl due to Batgirls speed, but that is not my belief. It would be a big disadvantage if Rogue actually absorbed Batgirls powers.
Originally posted by tkitna
We're talking about speed wise. There is some doubt as to wether Rogue could get her hands on Batgirl due to Batgirls speed, but that is not my belief. It would be a big disadvantage if Rogue actually absorbed Batgirls powers.
No, it wouldn't. If she absorbed Cassandra's skills and knowledge, she would only benefit from it. There is the little matter of absorbing her screwed-up psyche, but you mentioned "powers." Remember, Rogue does not trade in her powers for new ones she absorbs temporarily.
Yes, I think Rogue SHOULD win. Question is how can Batgirl hurt her physically?
Would not be nearly as easy as it seems at first glance considering this would be no "you punch me, I punch you" affair. That was my point with the Wonder Woman vs. Hulk thread - Hulk SHOULD win, but Wonder Woman gets in tons of punches considering her speed, flight, and battle skills.
Rogue is no brilliant strategist and never has been. Great fighter? No. Pure power and flying speed. Carol Danvers was going to beat the hell out of her in Uncanny #171 had Colossus not intervened.
Flip side, she took a blow from Binary without flinching but fainted after Viper shot her several times with an "ordinary" blaster gun in #173.
You tell me?
That's the heavy firepower I was talking about. Clearly that wasn't an "ordinary" blaster. In the story in question, Rogue claimed to be invulnerable. The comic implies that she's pretty damn tough, but given a super-baddie packing bad enough heat, she'll go down.
Wherever Viper gets her hardware is irrelevant. Batgirl doesn't use that stuff. She won't kill, remember? With Rogue it's pretty much all or nothing. In a fight with her, if you want to go home under your your own power and not on a stretcher, you either bring chocolates and an apology or you bring enough power or hardware to put her in the ground. Batgirl doesn't have the kind of innate ability that would disable Rogue, and if she sought technological assistance, she wouldn't know how to accomplish this without risking killing her.