"too sure of themselves...."

Yeah but they had other jobs than just fighting the Sith.

well in that case someone will have to explain to me why the heck are there so many Jedi and yet it takes only 2 sith (master 7 apprentice) to bring them down.

so is it possible that 2 vs. so many win against all possible odds ?
as ush says the sith were better than the Jedi

the sith also had millions of clone troopers - in case you forgot? they didnt just go out and take on the whole jedi order with just 2 sith.

( i meant not 2 sith vs the whole jedi order saber to saber)

Yeah, there are "so many Jedi" as CGC put it because there are A TON of star systems to PROTECT. So naturally there'd be a lot of PROTECTORS to do some PROTECTING. They want people with Force sensitivity to put that ability to good use so they train 'em so they can keep up with all the star systems and Jedi dying from old age and stuff like that.

the clones are just part of an episode in the long years of the galaxy. as far as i know there were always ONLY 2 sith vs. the Jedi order, and these sith were former jedi with the exception of Darth Maul who was forged by the hatred energies of the sith.

too sure of themselves indeed they were as they assumed in numbers and not in strategy.

Originally posted by ArthasKnight
Yeah, there are "so many Jedi" as CGC put it because there are A TON of star systems to PROTECT. So naturally there'd be a lot of PROTECTORS to do some PROTECTING. They want people with Force sensitivity to put that ability to good use so they train 'em so they can keep up with all the star systems and Jedi dying from old age and stuff like that.

that sounds like a good explanation

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Your assumption there is that the Jedi fail purely because they are somehow incompetent. Whilst some failure is inevitable in the given scenario, the important bit is that the Sith really did their job right. But there can be no grounds for complaint, from what I see, of the Jedi's conduct in the intervening time.

Ush,
your a mod, please give us clear english 💃

Originally posted by GCG
the clones are just part of an episode in the long years of the galaxy. as far as i know there were always ONLY 2 sith vs. the Jedi order, and these sith were former jedi with the exception of Darth Maul who was forged by the hatred energies of the sith.

too sure of themselves indeed they were as they assumed in numbers and not in strategy.

Well see, the Jedi thought the Sith were too extinct. I don't think the "too sure of themselves..." was referring to dealing with the Sith. It just had to do with younger (and older) Jedi were thinking that they were better than they were at doing things like solving problems, dueling, and basic Jedi duties. They were thinking (like Anakin) that they were always right and that they knew best for everyone.

Originally posted by ArthasKnight
Well see, the Jedi thought the Sith were too extinct. I don't think the "too sure of themselves..." was referring to dealing with the Sith. It just had to do with younger (and older) Jedi were thinking that they were better than they were at doing things like solving problems, dueling, and basic Jedi duties. They were thinking (like Anakin) that they were always right and that they knew best for everyone.

yes u r righ about that ; i was thinking of Yoda's quote in episode I when he said that they were blind for not seeing the new enemy (or something along those lines)

Originally posted by GCG
well in that case someone will have to explain to me why the heck are there so many Jedi and yet it takes only 2 sith (master 7 apprentice) to bring them down.

so is it possible that 2 vs. so many win against all possible odds ?
as ush says the sith were better than the Jedi

i think youre missing my point. you said, 2 vs so many against all possible odds.

then i said, they had the clones with them.

so, it is not against all possible odds when they have an entire army devoted to killing the jedi. half the jedi would have died from fighting on worlds against the confederacy before the clones turned bad.

i got your point ; but i was thinking in terms of millenia, not just these episodes. something they call *whispers silently* EU.

oh, ok. i thought you meant specifically how did 2 sith defeat the whole jedi order.

The reason why they failed was because the sith trained in the jedi temple in secret so they probibley new everything that was going on.

It is also known that the sith were fallen jedi (with the exception of Maul correct me if im wrong) so knowledge of both sides of the force favours them. does anyone know what was Sidious's name when he was a Jedi ?

Sidous was never a jedi. The Jedi would know that if Palps was once a jedi and now just a chancellor...no, never. Not all sith have to be fallen Jedi. Thats just "working smarter, not harder", on the sith's part. Why take all the time out to go FIND someone who's strong with the force, and then train, when they can just take their pick of Jedi who they can sense are impatient or overly emotional?

you would have to be right on that ;

as with regards why are thre only 2 sith, the SW databank says that :

Darth Bane restructured the cult, so that there could only be two -- no more, no less -- a master, and an apprentice. Bane adopted cunning, subterfuge, and stealth as the fundamental tenets of the Sith order. Bane took an apprentice. When that apprentice succeeded him, that new Sith Lord would take an apprentice.

Thus, the Sith quietly continued for centuries, until the time of Darth Sidious and his apprentice, Darth Maul. By that time, the galaxy at large had believed the Sith to be extinct, a fabled threat from the past. Qui-Gon Jinn's report of a Sith attack on Tatooine was met by the Jedi Council with hesitation and skepticism. Surely if the Sith had returned, the Jedi would have detected it, they reasoned.

The dark side, for all its power, is ultimately hard to detect when required. A shadowy master like Darth Sidious was able to keep his presence a secret, even when sharing a world with the Jedi Temple.

What about yoda being to sure of hem self.

"The reason why they failed was because the sith trained in the jedi temple in secret so they probibley new everything that was going on."

and be able to erase kamino.....

The only reason the Sith were better (organized) in the prequels is that they only had to watch over eachother, 1 master on 1 apprentice!
It is the will of the force that the dark side is growing and clouding the light side, and that's where the prophecy of the one...comes in.
There are lots of Jedi with their own capacities and flaws, old and young, I think Yoda refers to the Jedi in common!
Being too sure possibly has something to do with denial....Windu; "Count Dooku whas once a Jedi Knight....he couldn't assasinate anyone"....only one of the many "too sures"!
I think the Jedi are affraid they are f****d, they said it themselves. Windu;"I think it is time we inform the senate, our ability to use the force is diminished".
Yoda said it many times; "....fear is the path to the Dark side...".
The dark side is the stronger side in the time of the Prequels, the light side gets clouded, thus...the Jedi are becoming victims of their own system against the Dark Side.....they are in some ways AFFRAID!
And that's why the "too sure" becomes a flaw more and more common
among Jedi.....the Force is toying with them and the Sith(dark side) know this!
I believe Yoda has foreseen all of this and helplessly tries to bump the sense in the ones close to him...
That's why he has the suspicious look all of the time, he tries to find out what's going on!
Well.......this is only a short note of how I feel about the whole thing, don't want you people to get bored.