Havoc vs. Cyclops

havok he can see

Could go either way.

Just because their powers don't work on eachother doesn't mean it doesn't work on the environment around them. Either one could collapse a ceiling on the other.

see now linkalicious knows what he's talking about. muffin man....... i should slap you.......

very good point, both characters would obviously use their environment as a weapon

in a hand to hand fight i dont think cyclops would win, i recall them both having an all out brawl once and neither having an advantage over the other

cyclops fighting ability:

http://www.mutanthigh.com/games/martialarts/fight6.html

and thats with his eyes closed...

okay, and im basing my point on an actual comic where they fight eachother.....

that is a cool sequence though

yeah, ive read that too, but unless alex has a team of superheroes and trains daily, i cant see him beatin cyke man to man...

yeeh i agree...cyclops for suure

can't hurt each other with their powers directly. this will come down to who can slap each other faster and harder or who can hit that boulder above them and squash the other. Havok probably has some issues being his brother's shadow for much of his life. give it to the fire plug. he once killed Storm. heck he'll do his brother.

it was the mutant x comic book series i was thinking of, they didnt fight but after the two were captured, it was Alex that saved both theyre sorry buts and did the majority of the damage to sinister,s lair....

why does everyone consider cyclops such a *****?

cos wolverine does... damn shame...

Havoc have to destroy Cyclops visor, that would make Scott blind, and at that point Alex can simply defeat him cause he cannot see without his visor.

Not blind, hed just do a lot of damage.

Originally posted by clickclick
Not blind, hed just do a lot of damage.

click on the link pr1983 put up earlier....the links are put up for a reason

Originally posted by pr1983
cos wolverine does... damn shame...

not for me, one recent reason is because he's a huge d*ck to alex and he moved from jean grey to emma in a heartbeat at jean grey's funeral........i think i'd agree with wolvie lol

yeah, but jeans been makin eyes at logan for years, how would you feel if you were in his position, and he was already with emma when jean died. the alex thing, yeah ok, but when alex was in a coma scott checked up on him constantly. Jean's died what is it 3 times now? the guys gone through hell, lost his son, had to be responsible for the x-men when he was in charge, and on top of all looking over his shoulder at logan, try to see it from his point of view...

i still think he'd take alex...

He cannot see without his visor he must take his eye close of he will starts to shoot optic blast without control

His visor or sunglasses allow him to open his eyes without destroying stuff. He can see without those two things but he will end up tearing everything up.

well at least havok isn't brain damaged

Originally posted by pr1983
yeah, but jeans been makin eyes at logan for years, how would you feel if you were in his position, and he was already with emma when jean died. the alex thing, yeah ok, but when alex was in a coma scott checked up on him constantly. Jean's died what is it 3 times now? the guys gone through hell, lost his son, had to be responsible for the x-men when he was in charge, and on top of all looking over his shoulder at logan, try to see it from his point of view...

i still think he'd take alex...

from seeing comics of them fighting eachother theres nothing that proves scott would have the upper-hand