I don't care what anyone says. Liu Kang is a THIRD rate knock off of Ryu. With less than HALF the talent mind you. Btw, does anyone besides myself READ the current SF comic by UDON? The art is AMAZING and the story is nearly as wonderful as the game series. If you haven't give it a look. Many friends of mine who aren't SF fans really got into it. Especially when my boy Fei Long got into the series. Waaaaaa chaaa!
hehehe well....Liu Kang, Law, and yes, Fei Long were all just knockoffs of Bruce Lee...
I wouldn't say he's a knockoff of Ryu. You always need a central character in any fighting videogame and usually it's the guy with the cheapest yet most powerful moves. Just cuz Ryu came first doens't mean another Asian fighter's a knockoff of him. What about Terry Bogard of Fatal Fury/KOF?
A bigger knockoff can be found within the games themselves. Think about all the sprite mess MK did with Reptile, Smoke, Rain, Ermac, etc...just ninjas with differnet colors. And Ken is just a plain knockoff of Ryu IMO. And I won't even get started with Dan.
Yes, I agree somewhat. But Capcom whole heartedly admits they based many of their characters on some living & formerly living individuals. ( ie; M. Bison " Mike Tyson " , FeiLong " Bruce Lee ". ) So it's not so much of a rip off as it is a homage to the individuals they, again, admitted they sought to emulate.
Yes, Street Fighter was the first to do so. Anything afterwards is hardly paying homage and is more likely capitalizing off the popularity of the already established series and characters. ( ex; One reality show is made and grows popular then 20 JUST like it are made. They considered are RIP-OFFS! ) I'm not saying that the character of Liu Kang doesn't have a degree of individuality when concerning the development of the character but I do base his popularity on the fact that he's similar in appearance to Ryu. That was a DELIBERATE move by the MK developers to allot their character a degree of recognition. It's a COMMON ploy in marketing to boost sales of one product by making it seem somewhat individual but virtually the same and thus familiar to buyers.
Don't even get me STARTED on SNK. Their entire Fatal Fury / King of Fighters line is a f*cking carbon copy of Street Fighter. That company unlike Mortal Kombat -- seemed very adamant about creating a creature that resembled Street Fighter in every way possible. They even went as far as to create characters BASED on Capcom fighters with a slight " edge " to them. ( ex; Joe Higashi looks AWFULLY a lot like Adon. And Ryo resembles KEN in nearly every manner. ) That company has NO creativity whatsoever and needs to go bankrupt -- again.
Anyway. While I believe MK was patterned after Street Fighter to a degree,like every other fighting game in the industry, it is a separate beast and I give'em credit for that. I only liked the series up to Mortal Kombat 2. After that it got pretty ridiculous with all the Lin Kuei NINJAS popping out the wood work and so forth. Street Fighter wins this HANDS DOWN for being the innovator of fighting games as we know them. Capcom has kept their series PURE. And what do I mean by pure? Everything in Street Fighter is based on just that -- FIGHTING. It doesn't have overly flashy graphics or pitiful gimmicks that attempt to keep the gamers mind OFF what's important in a fighting game. THE FIGHTING. It emulates perfection in every hand drawn pixel and continues to dominate the Arcade market when concerning the so called OBSOLETE 2-D fighter. The game is HARDLY obsolete. It's still fresh and has stayed true to itself. As Ryu has stated over and over..." Substances always wins over STYLE. " And believe me...Street Fighter is the epitome of Substance.
I going for Mortal Kombat.
Dont forget the bosses of the games, I sure That Goro, Kintaro, Shao Khan, Motoro, and the Dragan King whould wimp the floor with the fighters of Street Fighter and there bosses.
Come on what can Bison do to Kintaro?
Or Gill iv Ongna???
Street fighter will get there butts kick.
You've got to be JOKING. Vega ( American Name: M. Bison ) would simply MURDER each and every one of them with the Psycho Drive. He's one of the MOST powerful villains in the Alpha series as well as SF2. If Goro, Kintaro, Motaro etc. can be defeated by lowly humans in MK, Vega would simply devastate them. And he's low tier compared to Gouki, Gill, Urien, Oro. Even Shao Khan fell to a human fighter. Apparently he's not as invincible at first glance. Gouki has fallen to NO ONE. Same with Oro. They're veritable Gods. And it took GOUKI to kill Vega ( M. Bison ). Not even Ryu had the power to do that. Mortal Kombat just doesn't stack up against SF.
The Psycho drive would be weak vs Kintaro, I thinking you never fought Kintaro on the Super Nes or Sega. If Raidens Topodio is no used against Kintaro(Kintaro keeps thowing Raiden) I see Bison getting thown to.
And Gouki would lose to both Kintaro and Motoro,
Fire balls bounch off Mortoro, Thus making any fire ball move useless vs the 4 legged beast.
And Kintaro would jump on Gouki. Kintaro also has a 6 hit fire ball, which takes a good number of your health. In order to beat Kintaro you need Scoprion's Spear or Subbies ice blast, There is just no other fighter in Mortal Kombat 2 and up that could take down Kintaro.
You need a power move to disable Kintaro, And the Street fighter gang lacks that. Like I said, unless your Subbie or Scorp, your going to lose to Kintaro.
I played both Mortal Kombat and Street fighter. and As of right now Kintaro is the hardest boss in a fighting game there ever was. He is on level of Idol now that I think of it.
hehehe I dunno...my friend used to be a crazy SF fanatic.....but after I asked him about Oro, etc...he said SF's getting lame with all these new characters. I guess he's not interested anymore. But yea, he's always favored SF's story, fighting, gameplay over MK. I for one, have adapted to button-tapping rather than rolling so MK suits me better.
I think MK verges on being more "mystical" or "surreal" (demons, outworld, gods, sorcerers) that pay homage to various popular cult movies (shaolin films, Big Trouble in Little China, hell MK1's story reminds me exactly of Enter the Dragon--Liu Kang = Bruce Lee, the evil Chinese guy with the claw= Shang Tsung, the white dude proving he's not a fake = Johnny Cage, tournament on an island, even Bolo sounds like Goro). SF to me is more colorful and modern. Chun Li, Guile, DJ, Cammy, Ryu, etc--they all seem to be able to exist in our world today. SF even tries to be realistic by saying how the hadoken is like the exertion of chi similar to blowing a candle out with your hands (as the old series explained). It's definitely a different flavor.
I thought the ninjas in MK got lame as well after the appearance of Smoke in MK2. I thought that should've been the last one...but then Ermac, Rain krept up (yes I spelled it with a "k"😉. Seriously, did the ninjas all get together and decide which color outfits they get to have? 😛
Originally posted by Joker1237
The Psycho drive would be weak vs Kintaro, I thinking you never fought Kintaro on the Super Nes or Sega. If Raidens Topodio is no used against Kintaro(Kintaro keeps thowing Raiden) I see Bison getting thown to.
In all seriousness there's no way that Kintaro would be able to withstand a full force assault from Bison's Psycho Crusher. Unlike Rayden's torpedo move which appears to be a mere physical attack accompanied by some energy the Psycho Crusher is both a physical assault as well as a mental one. It feeds off of negative energies within Bison, who's power exceeded the wherewithal of his body, and directly channels them into his foe. Kintaro would be scattered to the four winds after a SINGLE fight with Bison. Hell, Bison would give Shao Khan a run for his money in an all out fight.
And Gouki would lose to both Kintaro and Motoro,Fire balls bounch off Mortoro, Thus making any fire ball move useless vs the 4 legged beast.
And Kintaro would jump on Gouki. Kintaro also has a 6 hit fire ball, which takes a good number of your health. In order to beat Kintaro you need Scoprion's Spear or Subbies ice blast, There is just no other fighter in Mortal Kombat 2 and up that could take down Kintaro.
You need a power move to disable Kintaro, And the Street fighter gang lacks that. Like I said, unless your Subbie or Scorp, your going to lose to Kintaro.
You must be insane. You actually believe that Kintaro and Motoro can beat SHIN GOUKI! I agree that they are indeed powerful fighters but thery're no where NEAR the level of Gouki. A single Shungoukusatsu would obliterate both of them. The only people who'd be able to even give Gouki an amusing challenge if that would be any of the MK Gods. And even then they'd have their hands full. Rofl. Kintaro & Motaro vs. Shin Gouki... 😆 Good one.
I played both Mortal Kombat and Street fighter. and As of right now Kintaro is the hardest boss in a fighting game there ever was. He is on level of Idol now that I think of it.
If Kintaro was the MOST difficult Boss you've ever played in a game then perhaps you should try SF3 : Third Strike. Gill would make him look like a light weight.
I had a easy time with Gill he was lame,
Yes Kintaro was the hardest boss I ever fought. Bison I lost to him the first few times, But after getting his CPU patter down, He was easy,(SF2)
I beat Bison on hardest, Now a Human guy would be diff, But I never lost to a human Bison before. My Vega(Claws) seems to over come that.
Kintaro on the other hand, I know his patter, But I still cant beat him unless I Subbie or Scorpion.
I think Kintaro takes down Bison easy.
Kintaro would mop the floor with Grill. He suck.
oh yeah fogot, I put a Kintaro vs Gouki fight as a pick them, They both have power full moves that could drain your life bar in a few hits.
But CPU Gouki still was easy compare to Kintaro. As for a Human Gouki, Yes I can lose to a Human Gouki. As he has super powerfull moves.
But Kintaro's moves are just as powerfull. And Kintaro takes less damage compare to the other MK fighters in MK2.
Nah. Kintaro was a push over considering the amount of combos that Shin Gouki tends to use throughout the Alpha series. There's no way that Kintaro's clunky and predictable patterns could compare to the monster string combos that Gouki throws at you in the most difficult setting. Not to mention when he finally hits you off with that Shungokusatsu. It's MORE devastating than ANYTHING Kintaro, Shao Khan, Shang Tsung, Motaro has ever unleashed. Street Fighter's insane combinations and fluid motions definitely kill Mortal Kombat 2's stiff characters and uncomfortable button taps. Rolling buttons seems much more natural and fluid a movement than tapping or double tapping them.
Gill was a beast even if he had Buffalo Bills colors. He's one of those characters that just ooze power. Kintaro doesn't even compare man. The second rate Goro just lumbers at you awkwardly throwing his four arms about like he's got an aneurysm. Gill would freeze him, burn him and then smash him into pieces before he'd even come close.
Bison's power is also apparent if you know the Street Fighter series. He's hardly human. I mean he's said to have a soul that's older than imagine and since he shares it with Rose from the Alpha series -- I'm inclined to believe it. Who KNOWS how old he is, man. He was going to use Cammy's body as his own. ( Cammy being a female CLONE of M. Bison. Yes, it's true. ) Kintaro is a low level nothing who eventually LOST to humanity in Mortal Kombat. M. Bison was killed by the Demon GOUKI. Who's tougher now?
Kintaro was killed by Raiden in the story line, Raiden used his God like Powers to zap Kintaro, So no Kintaro was not taken down by a mere human.
And he ant low level. Kintaro had speed. And that Jump he does, You cant Block it, And in most cases it hits. Kintaro has a 6 hit fireball. IF you get hit by his 6 hit fireball, You can kiss about half your life Gone.
Mortoro on the other hand, Fire balls bounch off of him. Gouki own fire balls will bounch off Mortoro and hit Gouki. Mortoro takes it easy. And he also has a fire Ball combo in MK3(They tone him down in the later games) that could take your entire life force if your not careful.
Originally posted by Joker1237
Kintaro was killed by Raiden in the story line, Raiden used his God like Powers to zap Kintaro, So no Kintaro was not taken down by a mere human.
I stand corrected. I needed to play the game again so that I could properly recall what had occurred. My bad.
And he ant low level. Kintaro had speed. And that Jump he does, You cant Block it, And in most cases it hits. Kintaro has a 6 hit fireball. IF you get hit by his 6 hit fireball, You can kiss about half your life Gone.
Speed over Shin Gouki? Some how I don't see Kintaro at his size out maneuvering Gouki who's ultimately more mobile. And considering the fact that in his own right Gouki is a speed demon, I doubt he'd be easily caught by a 6 hit combination from a beast that in comparison is lacking mobility. As I stated before. It would take one Shungokusatsu to take down BOTH Kintaro and Motaro. The Shungokusatsu ( Instant Hell Murder ) is an unblockable 15 hit SUPER combination which doubles not only Shin Gouki's power but also his speed allowing him to instantly warp forward taking his opponent easily. What happens during the shungokusatsu is that they go to hell. The demons in hell will attack the person even if they're sin free or not. But with evil characters, their past sins will also haunt them on top of the demons attacking them for that split second. So basically the move attacks the foe physically as well as spiritually ( their soul ). And if that person happens to be more evil then the move is ALL that more potent. So Motaro, Kintaro, Shao Khan...are all done for. Shin Gouki would crush them and send them to hell.
Mortoro on the other hand, Fire balls bounch off of him. Gouki own fire balls will bounch off Mortoro and hit Gouki. Mortoro takes it easy. And he also has a fire Ball combo in MK3(They tone him down in the later games) that could take your entire life force if your not careful.
Gouki's ( Gou Hadoken ) attacks aren't composed of " fire ". They're an extension of his chi energy which is manifested through his body. So if FIRE bounces off Motaro as you've stated then he's in big trouble facing SHIN Gouki's MESSATSU Gou Hado since nothing he projects is composed of anything remotely resembling fire. Besides the Messatsu Gou Hado is a 4,6,8 hit SUPER Combo which when used at full power is STRONGER and causes more damage than the Shungokusatsu which would ALSO obliterate Motaro.
And if that didn't work, which it WOULD, the TenMa Go-ZanKu ( Demon Great Killing Sky ) would which is another 4,6,8 SUPER Combo that devastates the enemy when used at full or half mast. Motaro and Kintaro are outclassed. SHIN Gouki alone would probably murder half of the Mortal Kombat roster ALONE considering nearly every one of them has committed a SIN that would only fuel the Shungokusatsu. And mind you -- SHIN Gouki is at full power unlike " Gouki " who's holding a great part of his energy back. Two words. OUT CLASSED.
Projection moves bounch off Mortoro, Even SubZeros ice blash bounch of Morotor and freezes Subzero.
Sektors missle back fire on Sektor(And in this case unblockble abecuase of the speed.
ANY projection moved would bounch of Motoro and hit the other guy. Not just fire balls.
Kintaro was very mobile, with that Jump. And that 6 hit fire ball he does, is pretty fast, If you duck it, or jump back you could advoid it.
Kintaro is pretty fast for a big guy.
that 90 percent move is going to be hard to land though, Kintaro would just jump out of the way, and land on Gouki, Kintaro is much faster than Goro, (I am pretty sure Gouki beats Goro though.)
And Moroto would teleport behind Gouki and that leaves Gouki open for the 100 percent fire ball combo.
6 fires would Juggle Gouki, Teleport, and 3 fire balls would end the match, (I been hit with it a bunch, So I dont recomend useing any air attacks on the 4 legged beast. It does leave you open.)
There is a pause when you do the move, I think Kintaro and Mortoro has the speed and skills to counter it.
As I stated before. Were it Gouki when he was holding back there might be a good chance that could happen. But SHIN Gouki is WAY too fast and entirely too mobile for large targets such as Kintaro and Motaro to get the better of in speed, agility and mobility. Shin Gouki has all the velocity needed to land his move. It's not like Motaro OR Kintaro are small targets. They are rather LARGE to be moving away from a small and ultimately more agile fighter such as Shin Gouki. And that's when the Shungokusatsu would ravage Motaro and send him to hell in a hand bag.