"When he becomes Vader though, he would kick Yoda's a**, but not now"
ummm, a cunning young boy in his prime and strength compared to a slow machine man who has more strength then speed. remember, power cannot be measured by the force alone, but by saber skills just like what heppened in AOTC with dooku/yoda. ani would prolly kick yodas ass. maybe there will be a fight who knows!?
about mace being killed, im excited to see that dude get whooped. hes to cocky.
Talk of 'Forms' is EU. I also really don't get the gist of that force power graph- how the heck can Maul be above Qui-Gon? What exactly are you meaning by 'power' here?
Gillard, as ever, is right, though. The better swordsman does not always beat a lesser one any more than a better tennis player always beats a weaker one. Mind you, I think we have every right to consider Obi-Wan a Master swordsman in his own right; he is also talented and more disciplined and also been through the wars.
I think Anakin is more powerful then everyone by the time of EP.III except Yoda and Sidious. Obi-Wan only beats Anakin because 1. he's much more experience then Anakin and likely to make fewer mistakes 2. Obi-Wan gets dumbass lucky I heard in the duel. Yoda is just far to o experience I mean 800 years of learning about the force think about it thats crazy. And as far as Sidious if Anakin never fell in lava I believe he would of became even more powerful then Sidious because their is no way in hell Anakin was at his peak during EP.III or for that matter anytime during the OT as mechanical Vader due to becoming more machine than man
um space....what about GG? If he is supposedly the first "prototype" of the technology that created DV, than why is Vaer automatically slow? Remember, those were filmed in the 70's and early 80's, choreography probably wasnt at the same level as it is now. We live in a society that thrives off speed and agility as far as fights and action. I think if GG can be fast and surely Vader can. So in essence youre saying that GG can beat Vader since Vader is slow.....
I think Yoda would lose to Anakin and/or Vader. At the time of Ep3, Ani is the most powerful in the Galaxy(as said by GL) and its just experience that gives OB1 an edge. But you have to remember that anyone can win a fight on any given day...if 2 people fight 100 times, it couls be split victories as much as 50/50. It depends on circumstance. At the timeof the duel, Ani is pissed and thinking about 1000 different things other than fighting, while im sure OB1 is more than focused...calm anakin down and i think he'd mop the floor with anyone,....including Sidous. An di say that cause i read that up until Ani jumps in, Mace is getting the best of Palps/Sidious.
Subjekt, I'm glad you agree with me that Anakin is more powerful than anyone, and could defeat BOTH Yoda and Sidious. I also agree that Vader's mechanical body made him slow because of how they shot it back then.
The only thing I disagree with is Mace ever gaining the upper hand on Sidious. The entire point of this is Anakin has to save the universe by killing Sidious. Mace's fight would be good, but Neither he or Yoda could get the job done.
Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.
"how the heck can Maul be above Qui-Gon?"...because he killed him.
That only proves he won a duel against him. That doesn't even necessarily make him better at duelling, let alone more powerful in general.
Maul was just a swordfighting thug. QGJ was a damn Jedi Master!
Vader's slowness is official, from GL.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
um space....what about GG? If he is supposedly the first "prototype" of the technology that created DV, than why is Vaer automatically slow?
I don't think it has been confirmed that Vader and GG where made from the same technology. As a matter of fact, I believe that they are quite different.
And we shouldn't be too caught up with speed, or lack there of. Keep in mind, Vader doesn't have to be fast to be bad. Mastery of the force is much more important then physical qualities.
I guess I'll agree with that.
I just think that if someone has a SIGNIFICANT advantage with speed over an foe they do much better. If they are generally equal it doesn't matter . Look at Obi vs. Vader in ANH. Both had about equal speed. If they would have continued that duel without Obi wan lowering his saber it would have lasted a while cuz obi wan had obviously mastered his defensive skill with a saber. Vader had a tough time with luke in ROTJ as he was obiously defeated. Luke was a much stronger with the force and it enhanced lukes skill including his speed.
'um space....what about GG? If he is supposedly the first "prototype" of the technology that created DV, than why is Vaer automatically slow?"
MAYBE THE FACT THAT GG is an alien has something to do with it. aliens might be a little bit more agile than humans, and plus i think the mere fact that GG has four lightsaber wielding arms beats that out.
Originally posted by .😖pace Opera:.
'um space....what about GG? If he is supposedly the first "prototype" of the technology that created DV, than why is Vaer automatically slow?"MAYBE THE FACT THAT GG is an alien has something to do with it. aliens might be a little bit more agile than humans, and plus i think the mere fact that GG has four lightsaber wielding arms beats that out.
We shouldn't compare the Grievous and Vader in the same light- their compositions are completely different.
Grievious is essentially a cybernetic body designed for combat with the necessary facilities to house an alien eyes, brain, and nervous system.
On the other hand, Vader is a man who has been scarred, beat up, burnt, and has had numerous limbs severed. Now he is basically a collection of beat up bio-matter and prosthetics.
The difference between Grievous and Vader is like the difference between an F1 car made for the track, and beat up and modified street car.