Earth vs ShiAr Empire

dudes, you all gotta realize that for all intents and purposes the Shi'ar are villains, and villians are not allowed to win. you actually find it plausible that realistically they can invade and subjugate untold amounts of other worlds but they cant beat one team of heroes on Earth?

all the pantheons and skyfathers were rightfully excluded for they dont live on earth anyway. they all occupy interstitial dimensions, and usually have some self imposed code not to meddle in mortal affairs. besides all those gods and demons exist outside of the time stream, so they can always turn to an alternate Earth for worshippers since thier existence seems to depened on if believe in them.

i really dont see how in a planet size battle like this one or two ppl are gonna make a difference. besides everytime aliens tussle with Earthen heroes its always a small group of them. the entire Skrull fleet has never tried to take Earth. they alwys send in covert mofo'kers, and decoys and shit. then one of thiers mess up and expose the operation and they get beat.

lastly in the MU america has shown to be the only country that has advanced military tech coming out the anus. and you know invaders are alwys gonna come to america. so this is basically gonna be the Shi'ar vs USA.

Earth get's blown up. How do you win against an entire empire? They only way they'll win is attack the royals and take hostage Lilandra. Otherwise they can try to blow parts of the Empire, while the Shi'Ar need only to blow up one planet to win.

Canada has Alpha Flight and a sh** load of other heroes...Britain has excalibur and a heck of a lot more... Israel and Russia have their own Super Soldier's which are capable of taking down a crap load of people..So I seriously doubt the US would be the only one defending the planet... Half of the Heroe's and Villians of the MU Earth 616 have near God like powers(Pheonix, X-man, Apocalypse) These three alone would be a daunting task for the Shiar people to take on... But topple that on with the likes of Hulk, Thor, Sasquatch, Abomination, Sentinels...The list goes on and on... If any of the heralds were to come into this mix... than the Shiar would experience a bloodbath of epic proportions... Honestly, the only way the Shiar would win is if they were somehow able to come at earth with a suprise attack on the magnitude of the nega bomb.. other than that.. they're pretty much toast.

just wanted to say this is a good topic krissy...Gotta give ya some props on posting it..

If only frank was a little older.

One thing is that this event would unite all heroes and villians on earth (well a majority of villians). I think the Shiar Empire would have its hands full with all the heroes and demi gods on earth. I mean if this was taking seriously u would probably have SS and the likes helping earth coz he loves it for sum reason 😑

Originally posted by whobdamandog
[/B] Honestly, the only way the Shiar would win is if they were somehow able to come at earth with a suprise attack on the magnitude of the nega bomb.. other than that.. they're pretty much toast. [/B]

dude, you're totally insane

Shi'Ar empire drops a negabomb among the asteroid belt and sets it to detinate counting down from 11:59:59 to blow the entire solar system up, just a second before the skyfathers can interfere as the rule states.

Shi'Ar Empire > Earth

Originally posted by manjaro
dude, you're totally insane

That's what my shrink tell's me 😛

I think the Shiar could do it. After all, as many have pointed out they are an empire, and one reasonably old. This would seem to indicate they are reasonably good at conquering over planets, and have impressive resources. So many earth heroes and villains are stuck on the ground, they would have to wait for the enemy to come to them, which from the looks of the Shiar, might never happen... they could most probably destroy the earth from orbit or even further away. And I don't like the rule about good always winning. Sometimes the villain should win. And I think that in this case that would be a victory to the Shiar.

Shiar Tech. is what would potentially kill us. We have Cannonballs girlfriend Lila Cheney. She can teleport earth all over the Universe allowing the Hero's a surprise offensive strike at all times and at any point. They'd never catch us. If they did get a hold of the planet their numbers( i mean a galaxy of peeps.) would sink us. their tech. would destroy our infer structure with ease. Hulk is tough and so is Juggs. but they would fall to a combination of the Guard.
You can't cut out Surfer when you talk about earth. His power is strong enough to stand to the Guard. With him on earths side the hero's may be able to go head to head when earth finally gets trapped by some ploy.
I would suggest that if they wanted a war to lure them away from the empire and then pop in and destroy as much as "humanly" possible.
We've seen Xavier navigate his girls ship through nuclear blasts. With him as navigator it would be hard to stop our assault.alien1

that would be disastrous guy. if earth should be removed from its orbit from our sun. it would have to be placed in another thats absolutly identical to ours. speed and distance from a sun and moon and everything. otherwise we would either freeze or for fry. so teleportation is not an option.

put it like this. do your reserach if anyone wants to dispute. there are less than 60 PPl in the entire MU who are class 100. of that less than 60 only about half of them are Earthers. and there is the fact that less than 100 ppl are class 70 or better, only half of them being Earthers. that number is quite insignificant seeing as how the Shi'ar is coming with a whole damn galaxy.

one more thing. of the less than 100 who are 70 or better, who are Earthers, only a hand ful of them are energy weilders, so the rest of those big bruisers would have to wait until the battle comes to them

I don't know man.. I don't think the Shiar have really demonstrated anything capable of the destruction of a planet.(As in multiple blast from their ships completing destroying earth) I'll admit that they some what outclass earth in terms of weaponry and military force. But even with this advantage, I seriously doubt they would be able to wipe out earth with relative ease. Remember, these are the same people who knock their knees together at the site of Galactus and one of his herald's, whom the people of earth have overcome a many a times.

Of course, Earth doesn't have to wait for the Shi'Ar, as someone already pointed out there are a few teleporters (Lila, Strange) who could take the "grounded earth forces" to the Shi Ar throneworld or battleships and bring the battle to them

If Earth was waging war against Shi'ar without the prior knowledge, they can just throw in a few individuals to stir the government up as Cassandra Nova did, or perhaps contaminate the environment as the World of the Worlds.

See. Gladiator has cleared asteroids from his empire's space lane. He can damn send asteroids from the Asteroid Belt straight towards Earth. All you need is one the size of Texas to take out most of the planet and plenty of those can be found in the Asteroid Belt.

The Shi'Ar need only to destroy the planet to take out most of Earth's forces. Earth, however, has to fight an entire Galaxy. And if Lilandra and other high royalties are in hiding in or outside of the empire, I highly doubt the heroes/villains will find them and capture them to declare victory.

Here's Gladiator's cousin Xenith:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/xenithstar.htm

Of course, when Marvel earth knows an attack is imminent, they're not going to wait for the fight to come to them, I think the big brains will quickly establish a perimeter shield or a similar defence mechanism to negate such a tactic... or they can just send Hyperion to deflect the asteroids.

no one is denying that earth forces wouldnt put up a good fight. and for the sake of comic book purposes they would win. It is exactly the same way how the writers responsible for Uncanny X-men used that whole magneto debacle as a play off the war in Afganistan. and how the currnet runs of the Ultimates, and the alien invasion slightly plays off Iraqi war.

the point is the good guys never lose. no matter how insurmountable the odds. but realistically, there is no way that earth should or could stand a chance. even if the Shi'ar wants to be arrogant and grandiose about it. like beyooonder said, one decent sized asteroid and Half of Earth's population is dust. bsides is anyone really taking into consideration just how large a galaxy is? we're talking about billions of planets here ppl!

Yeah, Gladiator could just throw Ceres at Earth. (Biggest asteroid, 1000 km wide) Earth would be dust.

I'm sure the heroes would lose but not because of a big asteroid hitting Earth... they have too many superpowers to be beaten like that... and they could get Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck to bail them out in such a scenario...