Anime: Cartoons or Not?

Originally posted by Gregory
I would argue that a lot of anime (Sailor Moon, Dragonball Z, and so forth) aren't even close to the same "level" as a lot of American cartoons. And that's why I'm bothered by people who think that calling anime cartoons somehow "degrades" it.

you must be seeing some of those english translated ones. they're better than you think for the untampered ones. just don't watch that STUPID Sailor Moon Live version. 😆 really, a numbef of these cartoons are for a niche group and wouldn't be suitable for everybody.

Originally posted by miahera
you must be seeing some of those english translated ones. they're better than you think for the untampered ones. just don't watch that STUPID Sailor Moon Live version. 😆 really, a numbef of these cartoons are for a niche group and wouldn't be suitable for everybody.

anime being cartoons is unthinkable how could you even think that at all

saliorsaturn101: I think it because it's obviously true. Any other idea is just some sort of eleatism, or something similiar--"I don't like cartoons, and I like anime, and since the dictionary bows to my whims, that means anime and cartoons are different things!" Unless you're actually defining cartoons as "western animation," I don't see how you could come to any other conclussion.

miahera: In my opinion, the dubs and censors just made a bad job worse. I've watched at least some of both series in Japanese (uncut), and I still think they're pretty bad, albeit with a few good moments scattered around.

Major Knight: I think that you're projecting ideas onto Blood:TLV that aren't actually there, but you can have the point if you want it, because I'm not going to rewatch the thing to find out. I really hated that movie.

cartoons are bugs bunny and daffy duck...
anime is anime. theres actually a plot and a 'story' to the series.

Originally posted by Gregory
Major Knight: I think that you're projecting ideas onto Blood:TLV that aren't actually there, but you can have the point if you want it

Originally posted by Gregory
I'm not going to rewatch the thing to find out. I really hated that movie.

I watched it. Poor angry/tortured soul, shedding tears over the monster she killed (really, the only good part of the movie), blah blah blah. Maybe this is hard for you to understand, but someone really can pay attention to a movie and still come to different conclussions about it than you do.

In the spirit of friendly inquiry (or something), I've just rewatched the thing. If you have something specific you think will support your interpretation of the main character, I'll be happy to consider it, but unless you can give me something specific, I'm going to continue to disagree. Although the action was better than I remembered.

The early Bugs Bunny and Daffy shows are not for kids,

Most of the gags Adults get, Like Duck Tracy.(Dick Tracy if you did not know) Pretty Adult like with the mobs, and guns, and dead bodys falling out of the closet.

And the rematch of Bugs vs the Turtle, Were after the mob rabbits, stop Bugs from winning and knew there mistake, they shoot them selfs, because thats what the mob does or die at the hand of the mob.

The old Bugs Bunny cartoons had Adult themes, They were the Mad TV of the cartoon world, and nothing like Micky Mouse.

And Anime is a Slyle of cartoon work.

As far as I can tell all Anime are cartoons. This doesn't somehow destroy it's credibility its just a simple fact. Trying to say that Anime is different to cartoons because they have a greater ability to use adult content makes no sense. Any cartoon could have adult content its just that the Japanese are better at accepting it.

Originally posted by Joker1237
And Anime is a Slyle of cartoon work.

Yes, I like the use of the word "style." But the word "cartoon" still doesn't give animes overall justice. Sure there are adult theme cartoons, but how was their plot and development? Sexual innuendos from a Tex Avery cartoon wouldn't convince me that it's an anime.

Batman could have strong relation, but when an audience watches it, we are not expected to be dazzled by the layout as many animes tend to achieve; we are not enamored by the support characters that litter the daily life of the main character. Sure the "bad guys" have their uniqueness, but they could easily be forgetten in the next panel as they will play no relevence or interference.

The Joker will never be forgoten, I mean when I watch MOTP, it may not be a Anime, but Hamill's Joker sure gives me the chills in that movie.

Hamill will never be forgoten as the Joker, and MOTP might had been his best work as the Joker.

but I agree calling it a cartoon does not give anime justice, Hell the old Looney Toons shows were more than Cartoons. They had adult humor, and gags, that FIT the era.

The depression, with Bugs on the bench, and these big movie stars are down right broke, Yes people relate to Bugs because they been thoguh the depression.
Or Sam brings back the old cowboy days. I never consider Looney toons just a cartoon, that would not give them justice either.

Both shows had diff styles. Looney Toons imo is not just a cartoon, they are made for Adult humor and gags,

Anmie deals in there art work real life and such(By the art work)

Originally posted by radioboy121
Sure the "bad guys" have their uniqueness, but they could easily be forgetten in the next panel as they will play no relevence or interference.

That's the same with a lot of anime. Do you remember the name of the gang that Lina Inverse fights at the beginning of Slayers? How many fans does Raditz have, I wonder? Relatively trivial villians (Raditz, Clock King, Soaring Henya, and a host of others) are remembered slightly, or forgotten, while major villians (Joker, Shishio) are remembered. That's natural, and nothing to do with anime/cartoons.

Originally posted by Joker1237
The Joker will never be forgoten, I mean when I watch MOTP, it may not be a Anime, but Hamill's Joker sure gives me the chills in that movie.

Maybe I didn't phrase it correctly. The villain usually doesn't cross over in the next episode or will have any effect. My apologies Joker1237. He isn't forgettable.

I suppose the term of supportive characters as an example is obscure, as series such as Pokemon, Sailor Moon, etc. have their relative one-episode only characters. Yet, despite this, a number of these characters have faces unlike your average run of the mill extras (i.e. Scarface's entourage). They often times react to the main characters rather than fade in and out (exceptions would include something like an army of soldiers, ninjas, etc.).

Originally posted by Gregory
That's the same with a lot of anime. Do you remember the name of the gang that Lina Inverse fights at the beginning of Slayers? How many fans does Raditz have, I wonder?

There can be certain characters that will create an impression for some people beyond the battle costumes. This by no means say that all animes are a masterpiece. You will not see me compare DeVadasy with Neon Genesis anytime soon.

Cowboy Bebop is a good anime, but I forget most of the Villians, sure I rember a few, but most of them are forgoten in my head.

Again I like the show, and watch it when Cartoon Network puts it on. But I just forget about the villians.

Anime are not cartoons...cartoons are usually non-violent comical things...

Than by that way Bugs Bunny is not a cartoon,
Anime are cartoons, hate to say it but it is.

I loved Bugs Bunny though.

Originally posted by Phoenix Aska
Anime are not cartoons...cartoons are usually non-violent comical things...

There is cartoony/humorous violence and the occasional groaning, agonizing in pain type of violence. Sometimes you see a cut lip for on television cartoons, but other ones can illustrate blood and gore, but violence alone doesn't make up anime.

I'm surmising the dedicated writers want to illustrate anime as though they are appraising a ceramic piece in a tea ceremony. Others however, just appeal to no nonsense fun or other categories. Cartoons often times try to appeal to the latter.

Originally posted by Joker1237
Than by that way Bugs Bunny is not a cartoon,
Anime are cartoons, hate to say it but it is.

I loved Bugs Bunny though.

How is bb not cartoon and anime cartoon?
This makes no sense to me...
I accept that some people call anime cartoons and some don't, but how do you classify a character that has been called cartoon since before a lot of us were born as not a cartoon?

And as has already been stated fifty million times, the reason some of s consider anime above cartoons is because of all it encompasses. Most other types of animation are geared to a specific audience and are solely for comedy. A few throw in some toching or serious moments, but overall, it's funny.