Originally posted by CelestialgirlMaybe I worded it wrong.. me celebrating Christmas has nothing to do with my beliefs. I celebrate it because it is a fun holiday, and I like getting 2 weeks off of school. If you feel that is somehow tarnishing the birthday of your lord, you can say what I'm celebrating isn't Christmas, I really don't give a damn.
Actually it does-it's how the whole thing started, duh catch up on history. It started out as pagan then the high christian people changed it for Christ's birthday.
Originally posted by Celestialgirl
me too! In world religion class they said it was after so many moons and they prooved it was around the 8th of december.
Fraid not... unless the Bible is lying, Jesus was born between April and October.... the key phrase can be found in matthew... "And there were at that time shepherds abiding in the fields with their sheep..." In Judaea around the first century, shepherd lived in the fields with their sheep in the high pastures during the dryer summer months, bringing the sheep down about October time to the meadows around the villages... then the shepherds would spend the winter in their homes... cf also Joseph taking food to his brothers who were also abiding with the sheep....
My concern was this.. why i posted this in Religion forum...
Christmas is observed as Christ's Birthday as believed and practiced by almost all Christians ever since... but the origin of Christmas was all Pagan.
It is a serious and dangerous matter for us Christians, I mean the true Christians, to follow pagan notions because it was strictly prohibited in the Bible.
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I've always celebrated christmas. I come from somewhat of a religous family and we do both the religous celebration and all the traditional holiday stuff. It's nice. We don't really give elaborte gifts, a lot of gift certificates to places like staples, best buy, barnes and noble, etc. We give the small kids small dolls or toys like bed buggs, but we don't go all out. It's a nice medium.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
It doesn't matter what date they are celebrating Christmas.. they could celebrate it on the 4th of July it doesn't matter.. if they are celebrating the birth of Christ they aren't celebrating a pagan holiday.
well..... several times in the Bible, most notably in Isaiah and Leviticus, the Judaeo-Christian God specifically instructs his followers not to worship him using pagan forms of worship... for example, in jeremiah He forbids the decorating of trees... in Exodus he forbids not just the worship of, but the very making of idols... also, you will notice that only three people in the Bible celebrate birthdays... one of the pharoahs who is being nasty to tyhe Hebrews, one of the Babylonian kings who is being nasty to the hebrews, and one of the Herods, who is being particularly nasty to John the baptist... in fact, the early Christian churches NEVER celebrated birthdays, choosing instead to celebrate the death of a person as their entry to God's Kingdom....
Originally posted by big gay kirkYou know alot about the bible.. Anyway I was only commenting that it doesn't matter what day they celebrate Christmas. I really don't know much about Christianity or Paganism and won't pretend to, but I was just saying I don't think it matters if they got the date right, it matters what they are celebrating. If all that stuff you said is right than Christmas could be a Pagan holiday.. I dunno. But it wouldn't be Pagan because of the date, it would be Pagan because of the other factors you mentioned.
well..... several times in the Bible, most notably in Isaiah and Leviticus, the Judaeo-Christian God specifically instructs his followers not to worship him using pagan forms of worship... for example, in jeremiah He forbids the decorating of trees... in Exodus he forbids not just the worship of, but the very making of idols... also, you will notice that only three people in the Bible celebrate birthdays... one of the pharoahs who is being nasty to tyhe Hebrews, one of the Babylonian kings who is being nasty to the hebrews, and one of the Herods, who is being particularly nasty to John the baptist... in fact, the early Christian churches NEVER celebrated birthdays, choosing instead to celebrate the death of a person as their entry to God's Kingdom....
Originally posted by Bardock42
well but the idea of christmas is very christian, I am sure your God won't take it wrong if you celebrate christmas.
No. The idea of Christmas is pagan. Try to read any kind of History books. You will know.
Besides, the erroneous date would result in any other way as "imposing a lie".
Christmas is a christianized pagan celebration as declared by some historians.
Yes, I am there. It is indeed an honor for us Christians and also imposing glory to both God and Jesus while celebrating Christ's birth. But, let's face it. We don't know the date. If we can't have any sources of this date, then why base it from pagan feast? Why imitate the same practices and make Christian versions out of them? (i.e: the tree, the candle, the santa claus, the turkey, the socks, the ham, the lights, the carols, etc.) These are all pagan notions and practices. Pagans who give glory to Sol Invictus were doing these every 25th of December.
Since we do not know when the exact date is, why not honor Christ's birth everyday of our Christian lives? Why in the date when it is purely based from pagans? Why practice things which tag along in it? If only Jesus is still here on earth, He won't like it that way. Surely.
Jesus Christ Himself and His apostles warned the people of God to stay away from imitating pagan notions and give up living like them... at least according to the Bible.
Originally posted by Jury
No. The idea of Christmas is pagan. Try to read any kind of History books. You will know.
I didn't say Christmas was Christian but the idea behind christmas (like being nice and friendly and shit) Try to read any kind of my post. You will understand.
Oh and if Jesus actually was such a good guy as you christens always say I think he wouldn't give a **** and smoke some weed with you (the old hippie).