God or No God?

Started by Imperial_Samura96 pages

Evolution has a lot going for it, though there are certainly holes, like any theory. I am open to there being a God, but am not decided as to one way, or the other. I think it is, but then I don't think of God as something like the one paraded about by Human institutions.

Could be. Belief in supreme beings have dated back to ancient Sumeria. However Neathelthral Man did not have any such belief, and they existed millions of years before any such belief. Funny how the unexplained can conjure up the belief in gods to the seceptible minded.

Originally posted by Reborn Again
Could be. Belief in supreme beings have dated back to ancient Sumeria. However Neathelthral Man did not have any such belief, and they existed millions of years before any such belief. Funny how the unexplained can conjure up the belief in gods to the seceptible minded.

If your proof of this is anything like your spelling, I am highly skeptical.

However Neathelthral Man did not have any such belief, and they existed millions of years before any such belief.
first of all neanderthals didnt exists millions of years ago they are known in Europe and Asia in the late part of Pleistocene (from about 200 000 years to 30 000 years ago)
We really dont know too much about them but they burried their dead and it seems they were adorned with offerings too which again can indicate beliefs in something out there.

Supreme Being is still in the lead!!!!!

It only makes since that a Conscious Being would create conscious beings.

conscious beings cannot come from unconscious, dead matter. Dead particles can not evolve into living cells. Because It's Dead.

Yes, God simply is consciousness itself - God does not exist, he IS existence; and existence is infinite love for itself - since all things are fair in love and war - love in this case - all things in existence(God) is justified and fair - good and evil is not, only greatness exist, for God is greatness - the great mystery and power of all. Everything that happens in the world is by God's will, including all 'good' and 'evil' things - God steers all activity in life - not humans.

God steers all activity in life - not humans.
so why does this god of yours steer people to be nonbelievers then?

I don't get how people say it takes the same amount of faith to believe in evolution as it does God. There is a difference between a theory having holes in it and a "theory" not even having enough credibility to be considered a good hypothesis.

So let me get this straight: Species adapting over generations to better survive their environment is just as far fetched and unfounded as an omnipotent God that created everyone and everything? No. One requires a great deal of faith in one's "spiritual" side, the other requires some "faith" in science but nowhere near as much. And the only reason all these religious people don't believe in evolution is because it contradicts the Bible, which is understandable seeing that they get their beliefs from the Bible. Almost everyone else agrees it's a very credible theory.

Creation and Evolution can go together. The only difference is either a Designer started everything, or that dead lifeless things became alive
on their own.

The thinking that evolution creates are:

There is no evidence for God
No life after death
There is no absolute foundation for right and wrong.
Theres no ultimate meaning for life
People don't really have free will.

The old idea of evolution as was partically stated in the Stanley Miller Experiment has been disproved. A newer model of evolution in which there was a designer is what's being taught by many professors.

Some on the list are, biologists, chemists, zoologists, physicists, anthropologist, molecular and cell biologists,bioengineers, organic chemists, geologists, astrophyscists, from places including Cambridge, Standord, Cornell, Yale, Rutgers, Chicago, Princeton, Purdue, Duke, Michigan, Syracuse, Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry and scientists at the Plasma Physics Lab at Princeton, the National Museum of Natural History at the Smithsonian Instutute, Los Alamos National Laboratory and the Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.

They are all in agreement on this statement."We are skeptical of the claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theorey should be ENCOURAGED."

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I didn't say evolution was flawless, but it's scientifically more credible than creationism. Yes there are problems with the theory of evolution, but problems with the theory of evolution don't = evidence for creationism. The only "proof" people ever seem to present in favor of creationism is just a problem with the theory of evolution and not actual evidence of a creator. Therefore, it takes more faith to believe in creationism than evolution.

What I said is that evolution and creationism has been blended by the scientific community as the latest research shows, to disclaim the dinosaur of Darwin's theory of evolution. No random processes. They have come to the conclusion with all the new technologies and studies that randomness could never be this precise. Therefore, there had to be an intelligent designer, what ever it is....

I didn't say evolution was flawless, but it's scientifically more credible than creationism. Yes there are problems with the theory of evolution, but problems with the theory of evolution don't = evidence for creationism. The only "proof" people ever seem to present in favor of creationism is just a problem with the theory of evolution and not actual evidence of a creator. Therefore, it takes more faith to believe in creationism than evolution.

Depends on what you mean by evolution. Certain holes can be so big as to make it virtually impossible.

Originally posted by debbiejo
What I said is that evolution and creationism has been blended by the scientific community as the latest research shows, to disclaim the dinosaur of Darwin's theory of evolution. No random processes. They have come to the conclusion with all the new technologies and studies that randomness could never be this precise. Therefore, there had to be an intelligent designer, what ever it is....
No, they don't know there has to be an intelligent designer, they THINK there has to be because of nature's complexity, but that doesn't prove a thing. Saying that because nature is complex it had to have been designed by and intelligent creator is simply their opinion, and opinions don't prove nor disprove theories.

Originally posted by clickclick
Depends on what you mean by evolution. Certain holes can be so big as to make it virtually impossible.
Well now you've gotten me curious.. lets hear about these holes.

As I said, it depends on what you mean by evolution. Certain aspects are feasible while others are not. For instance (there are certainly more), if we were to begin at the origin of life itself. Spontaneous generation violates the law of biogenesis. Which one is more far fetched? Is life creating life not in keeping with the law and observable scientific evidence while the other is unfounded and lacking enough credibility to even be considered a good hypothesis?

Now if one wants to contend that merely some form of evolution took place, then that is more plausible at least.

God is evolution. Think about that...

He created everything, and it could be that it evolved, but He did start it and has a hand in it, and can even steer to what ever degree he likes.
The point is that we didn't evolve from dead matter.

do you have any proof to go along with your statement there debb

I don't think there is something such as dead matter -
there is bio-potential in all matter and non matter - afterall, God is inside everything, so he could morphologically change any matter into anything he wills.

Originally posted by finti
do you have any proof to go along with your statement there debb

Yea..I have some proof, but it's upstairs and I'm too lazy. It's 2:30 am.
I'll post it later, but You can have a rock for a bazillion years and it will still be a dead rock!!!