God or No God?

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Perhaps. But one aspect of humanity has, for many, been that curiosity. That hunger for understanding. Leaving a great big unanswered question just sitting there is distracting. People will ponder it. The best way to stop questioning is to give/find the answer. The answer I think could very well help in the advancement of love - because as I said - where you have a unknown answer you tend to get two or more camps (depending on its nature) coming up with what they think is the answer, and the division between them can be anything from tense to violent. And who is right? Which group should people trust? It goes on and on. An answer given can remove the potential for conflict - for most at least.

Unless of course man is meant to learn and not be told everything.

I don't believe that well mannered debate is evil, I would believe it is good. I don't believe the division you have described has occurred in relation to the idea of creation. Science has been very congenial in their discussion of the topic. Religious fanatics are the ones that have caused divisiveness on the subject by believing that God used some "supernatural" means of creation to the exclusion of scientific evidence, and wantonly attacking science based solely on lack of explanation in religious text. This is error that the Bible does not support. The potential for conflict is based in the pride of religious zealots, not in the text or message of the Bible, and not in the scientific community. Science is the study of the natural order of things, a natural order that a religious person following the Bible must accept as being part of God's creation.

Originally posted by Regret

Also, I probably don't fit in with the "church" you mentioned, so I doubt your comment is valid in relation to myself.

Your "faith" is your own... That wasn't directed at you personaly.

faith is faith regardless.

Originally posted by Regret
Unless of course man is meant to learn and not be told everything.

I don't believe that well mannered debate is evil, I would believe it is good. I don't believe the division you have described has occurred in relation to the idea of creation. Science has been very congenial in their discussion of the topic. Religious fanatics are the ones that have caused divisiveness on the subject by believing that God used some "supernatural" means of creation to the exclusion of scientific evidence, and wantonly attacking science based solely on lack of explanation in religious text. This is error that the Bible does not support. The potential for conflict is based in the pride of religious zealots, not in the text or message of the Bible, and not in the scientific community. Science is the study of the natural order of things, a natural order that a religious person following the Bible must accept as being part of God's creation.

There could be many things about the Bible that NONE of us understand to its full extant.

For all you know we may only have truly deciphered 10% of the Bible's truth.....

Whose to say whose right or wrong about Biblical intepretation ? Why all the devisions ?

Originally posted by Alliance
faith is faith regardless.

but faith is not a Christian believe......Not just them....IT IS NOT.

Originally posted by Mr_Famous
I believe in God. Yes I'm a biology student but the theory before the evolution doesnt makes sense to me (ie: the Big Bang theory, if there was nothing before the bang, where did the bang come from?)

http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/newproofs.shtml?main

How can disorder (Big Bang explosion) produce order?

http://www.open.org/mrdsnts/d01000.htm

Why aren't there any transitional forms of fossils showing evolutionary stages?

http://www.x-evolutionist.com/Fossils.html

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/newproofs.shtml?main

How can disorder (Big Bang explosion) produce order?

http://www.open.org/mrdsnts/d01000.htm

Why aren't there any transitional forms of fossils showing evolutionary stages?

http://www.x-evolutionist.com/Fossils.html

Science doesn't believe in disorder. It is an error, claiming they have anything coming or existing in chaos. Also, creation could have been some big bang, it doesn't say exactly how it was done.

As to evolution, it doesn't threaten Biblical truth, so why bother addressing it in an aggressive manner? The Bible does not speak as to the method of creation other than who did it, it is not inconceivable that evolution was a tool used by God to create. Also, evolutionary theory doesn't contradict the possibility of other methods of creation. It is merely a description of one scientifically valid method for the creation of various forms of life that we are aware of.

Well Actually its possible 2 believe in an ultimate supreme being and still believe watever the hell u want, u dont have 2 believe wat da bible says but you can believe something created us. like think wat was there before the big bang and wat caused it

Originally posted by -hh-
Allah and Christian God...are same God.

just different religions...

The Koran denies the Father, Son, Holy Spirit unity...

The Koran denies that Jesus was crucified...

The Koran denies that Allah has a son...

Tell me then...How can the god of Islam be the same God of the Bible? Muslims claim that Allah is the same term for God but based on my line of questioning there are some stark, marked contradictions.

http://www.truthandgrace.com/allah.htm

http://www.lyitl.org/koran/

http://www.dianedew.com/islam.htm

Originally posted by Me_GuSta_ChoCha
Well Actually its possible 2 believe in an ultimate supreme being and still believe watever the hell u want, u dont have 2 believe wat da bible says but you can believe something created us. like think wat was there before the big bang and wat caused it

It is possible, but not what JIA believes, which is what I was addressing.

Originally posted by Regret
why bother addressing it in an aggressive manner?

Aggressive? Now if I had ended my post like this:

furious gun_bandana

tank tomcat wallbash

I might understand what you mean.

Originally posted by Regret
...The Bible does not speak as to the method of creation other than who did it, it is not inconceivable that evolution was a tool used by God to create. Also, evolutionary theory doesn't contradict the possibility of other methods of creation. It is merely a description of one scientifically valid method for the creation of various forms of life that we are aware of.

Sure it does. As far as mechanics here is how God did it:

Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Psalm 33:6
By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.

God speaks and things "be" "exist" or "come into being." That explains why there are no transitional fossil forms. All life came into being suddenly or instantaneously.

More examples of God speaking things into existence:

Genesis 1:3
Then God said , “Let there be light”; and there was light.

Genesis 1:6
Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.”

Genesis 1:9
Then God said , “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.

Genesis 1:11
Then God said , “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so.

Genesis 1:14
Then God said , “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;

Genesis 1:20
Then God said , “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”

Genesis 1:24
Then God said , “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said , “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Humanity is the only creature that God created in His own image and likeness (i.e., spirit with anthropomorphic anatomy except we have a physical body in addition to the aforementioned). God actually formed humankind personally. He didn't just speak us into existence.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Aggressive? Now if I had ended my post like this:

furious gun_bandana

tank tomcat wallbash

I might understand what you mean.

You attack their view, evolution is something that doesn't have impact on Biblical truth, why the attack?

A simple statement allowing for the possibility that God may have used evolution seems more appropriate to attacking evolution.

Man has discovered many scientific facts to be in error upon further study, if evolution is not correct, they will find an error and move to some other theory. Also, if all things are possible for God, evolution is definitely a possible method for creation.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
...Humanity is the only creature that God created in His own image and likeness (i.e., spirit with anthropomorphic anatomy except we have a physical body in addition to the aforementioned). God actually formed humankind personally. He didn't just speak us into existence.

So, what you are saying is that other animals are not of any value, therefore, we can go out and torture and kill them all we like. Also, we can also destroy the Earth and it’s environment because god will make a new one soon.

NOT

Man made in god’s image is an excuse so those who subscribe to this belief, can be as evil as they wish to be.

We are animals, just like all other animals.

Originally posted by Regret
You attack their view, evolution is something that doesn't have impact on Biblical truth, why the attack?

A simple statement allowing for the possibility that God may have used evolution seems more appropriate to attacking evolution.

Man has discovered many scientific facts to be in error upon further study, if evolution is not correct, they will find an error and move to some other theory. Also, if all things are possible for God, evolution is definitely a possible method for creation.

Attack?

I am having a very difficult time understanding how you can construe my post as an aggressive attack.

I simply asked a couple of questions.

If my queries are aggressive attacks then I must be and icon for someone who has been subjected to extreme, blind, rage, hostility, aggression and attacks.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Attack?

I am having a very difficult time understanding how you can construe my post as an aggressive attack.

I simply asked a couple of questions.

If my queries are aggressive attacks then I must be and icon for someone who has been subjected to extreme, blind, rage, hostility, aggression and attacks.

You go out of your way to get attached.

Regret, can you ask your boy Shakyamunison what in the world is he talking about. He says:

So, what you are saying is that other animals are not of any value, therefore, we can go out and torture and kill them all we like. Also, we can also destroy the Earth and it’s environment because god will make a new one soon.

NOT

Man made in god’s image is an excuse so those who subscribe to this belief, can be as evil as they wish to be.

We are animals, just like all other animals.

Regret, I never said anything of the sort. I did not imply, insinuate, intimate, suggest, hint, or convey anything about animals not being of any value. I really would like to know what is up tonight? First I am accused of aggressively attacking evolution (I am still puzzled by this) now I am accused of some other unthinkable things. I never said a word about torturing animals. Wow! Now I know how Jesus must feel.

Regret, maybe you can talk some sense into your boy.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Regret, can you ask your boy Shakyamunison what in the world is he talking about. He says:

So, what you are saying is that other animals are not of any value, therefore, we can go out and torture and kill them all we like. Also, we can also destroy the Earth and it’s environment because god will make a new one soon.

NOT

Man made in god’s image is an excuse so those who subscribe to this belief, can be as evil as they wish to be.

We are animals, just like all other animals.

Regret, I never said anything of the sort. I did not imply, insinuate, intimate, suggest, hint, or convey anything about animals not being of any value. I really would like to know what is up tonight? First I am accused of aggressively attacking evolution (I am still puzzled by this) now I am accused of some other unthinkable things. Wow! Now I know how Jesus must feel.

Talk to me please!

There are a lot of Christians, out there, who feel that way. They don't put the same words that I do to it, but that is how they act.

I apprize if my ranting has offended you, but I have gotten used to you ignoring me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Talk to me please!

There are a lot of Christians, out there, who feel that way. They don't put the same words that I do to it, but that is how they act.

I apprize if my ranting has offended you, but I have gotten used to you ignoring me.

I accept your apology.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Talk to me please!

There are a lot of Christians, out there, who feel that way. They don't put the same words that I do to it, but that is how they act.

I apprize if my ranting has offended you, but I have gotten used to you ignoring me.

Don't grovel before his type.

You're above that.