God or No God?

Goodness, so, your going to pick apart every detail of this metaphor?

The entire point (which it seems that you are failing to understand) is that if we all live in darkness, and there is no God, then we should never have realized the darkness that we live in.

then we should never have known the concept of right and wrong

Do you think that morality requires religion?

Originally posted by Storm
Do you think that morality requires religion?

No.

Originally posted by finti

man had a concept of right and wrong long before they learnt of this biblical god, I love how so called religious people think that that the notion of right and wrong is one of their inventions

and when would this be? Could you give me some proof as how man has had a sense of right and wrong?

I belive that there is a God as well, there is too much proof for me. I read that excpert that C.S. Lewis wrote and it makes total sense to me! I mean think about it. You don't say That line is crooked unless you know what a straight line looks like. You've seen straight line before and you can compare the crooked line to that - that should be crystal clear.

Where did man's sense of right and wrong come from? It came from God is what I believe. Man didn't have the compacity to think this is right and this is what we call wrong. No it came from God.

The darkness thing Lewis says is a great example. It makes perfect sense to me! If there is no God, then they should have never realized that they were living in darkness.

But for me, that's where faith comes in. The wind blows all the time, you can't see it but you can feel it.

and when would this be? Could you give me some proof as how man has had a sense of right and wrong?

But for me, that's where faith comes in. The wind blows all the time, you can't see it but you can feel it.

Because God does not exist, there is indeed no absolute Right and Wrong, as it comes down to each individual to create his/her own subjective moral values. In other words, it may be right for one man to kill another, while at the same time such an action may be seen as wrong in the eyes of another, but the fact remains that both of them are right in the subjective sense - each individual has the right to his/her own creation of moral values.

I'd just like to say that the whole point of this thread is to show your opinion ain't it? So I dunno how you can call people childish for just saying what they believe in. I'm not being nasty to anyone btw lol i'm just saying that everyone has their opinions. I do not believe in God either. It's a thing I really feel strongly about. I don't see how people can believe in God when there is so much proof of how the world has been created. I'm not saying it's wrong to believe in him, I'm just saying I can't see how you can. Science is the main thing of how the world has been created and there is far more proof from this. Also, evolution has been proven and I beleive that to be correct as there is so much proof of it. People have said in here about the right and wrong thing....well what do you mean it came from God? People can easily think how something is right or if something is wrong, it's just what someone has decided and people have learned from it, or it was just what someone personally thought and then people have learned from that or whatever. Also, I don't like it when people say things like "There is a God whether you believe in him or not" that just doesn't make any sense whatsoever as you are saying that there is definitely something there when you can't prove it, therefore you are just saying your opinion on it. If someone doesn't beleive in him then that's fine, you can't go saying that he's there for them when they don't believe it and when you can't even prove it. Ok my rant is over..... lol

p.s. By the way, Hey Lianslo! I haven't seen you for ages 😱! Sorry, I had to...

I don't see how people can believe in God when there is so much proof of how the world has been created. I'm not saying it's wrong to believe in him, I'm just saying I can't see how you can. Science is the main thing of how the world has been created and there is far more proof from this. Also, evolution has been proven and I beleive that to be correct as there is so much proof of it. People have said in here about the right and wrong thing....well what do you mean it came from God? People can easily think how something is right or if something is wrong, it's just what someone has decided and people have learned from it, or it was just what someone personally thought and then people have learned from that or whatever. Also, I don't like it when people say things like "There is a God whether you believe in him or not" that just doesn't make any sense whatsoever as you are saying that there is definitely something there when you can't prove it, therefore you are just saying your opinion on it. If someone doesn't beleive in him then that's fine, you can't go saying that he's there for them when they don't believe it and when you can't even prove it. Ok my rant is over..

You have been very sadly duped if you believe that "science" has proved the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution is merely conjecture.

There isnt "more proof whatsoever". Scientific evidence is consistent with creationism but atheists make up theories that either dont make sense or have no evidence in an attempt to refute them. Beyond the fact that they surpress opposing evidence and put out blatent lies to support their little theory.

People can think about what is right or wrong but what right do they have to force other people to adhere to their standards if there is no absolute standard? Factually that would be incorrect.

Actually, you most certainly can say that God is there even if you dont want to believe the truth. Just as you have the right to say that God doesnt exist, though again it doesnt make it the least bit true.

Actually there is some scientific proof of how the world was made. Such as how plants and animals evolved, how the oceans were made etc so it is actually complete rubbish that God made oceans and all that. The composition of the earth has changed, as you most probably know, and most gases erupted from volcanoes including carbon dioxide, water vapour etc. The water vapour condensed to form the oceans and then plants evolved due to there being a large quantity of carbon dioxide. A lot of the carbon dioxide dissolved in the oceans, and also was taken in by the plants and then oxygen was produced from photosynthesis. Other organisms then evolved due to there being oxygen. Ok now for the physics part..... galaxies are moving apart so the obvious thing is that there was a big bang as all the matter of the universe was compressed and then exploded, and now there is still an expansion going on.... (ie galaxies moving apart) This isn't actually for definitie, but there is more proof of this than of a spirit man or whatever he is. And you say that atheists supposedly "made up" the teories of evolution? Errr I don't think so somehow, it has actually been PROVEN, if you knew enough about science you would know. It's more believale to think that the world was created from science, where there is more proof (and don't tell me there isn't because there actually is) than to believe that a spirit like man created the earth and 2 people and then the whole population of the earth was made from 2 people. How can this be possible? Inbreeding causes birth defects and deformaties. Everything is made up of elements, including humans, so it makes much more sense that we have been created by evolution.

I was only giving my opinion clickclick, i said that in my last post, so i don't know why you are having a go at me and saying i am "sadly duped" for believing in science, something that is around us everywhere and that has in fact got far more proof, not making a difference what you say, than the existence of God.

You have gotten this mistaken. You have been caught up in what atheists try to get people to believe. This isnt a matter of science vs religion. Its a matter of atheism vs theism, evolution vs creationism. Science is supposed to be objective and yet atheists violate this time and time and time again.

There is proof that a world was made but that doesnt support atheism. As to plants and animals evolving, no im sorry but there isnt any proof of upward evolution. That is a fact. What is also a fact is that people have been taught what is KNOWN to be bullshit.

As to life arising from non life, again mere conjecture with absolutely no supporting evidence. Let alone by chance. I know what the theories are but that doesnt mean they have anything to do with evidence.

The world can not be created "from science". Its funny that you are ignorant here and yet tell me that I would know if I knew about "science". A ) am I the one claiming that science creates stuff? B ) am I the one claiming proof to be there that isnt?

As to 2 creatues creating reproducing and so on, clearly you dont even know your own theory.

No, but you are claiming that you believe in God and therefore that means you believe that God created the world and therefore that means you do not believe that science has created the world and therefore I am backing up how science is proven. So if you don't know much about science, as you are suggesting as you said "Its funny that you are ignorant here and tell me that I would know if I knew about science. A ) am I the one claiming that science creates stuff?" then that means you do not know much about science and therefore you cannot see the proof that scientists have. And I don't know what you mean about saying about 2 creatures reproducing and that I don't know my own theory? That is a theory to do with God and it doesn't even make sense. People have said on here that there is no proof that he DOESN'T exist but as other atheists on here have said there isn't any proof that he DOES exist either, where there IS proof of science. So science is therefore more believable. And I'm sorry, but you don't have to be so rude to me. The purpose of this thread is to discuss if you believe in God or not, and as we know people have different opinions and that is fine. As I said before, I have nothing against people believing in God, I just can't see how they can myself. I am just giving reasons of how I believe it isn't true.

Who in the hell believes that science created anything? Science is supposed to identify while being objective, its not a creator. The atheistic view is that random chance created everything. You should know that if you had any familiarity with the subject.

God creating the world is not in disagreement with science, it is in disagreement with atheism.

Again, you keep pointing to science but you just arent grasping what im saying. What you believe in is the unobjective atheistic quest for knowledge. That in itself is not science, actually its problematic.

Im well aware that you are giving reasons for why you believe such and such but they lack substance. You might aswell say you dont believe in God because bananas exist.

You should familirize yourself with microevolution and the loss of genetic information. If one species had all the DNA information that was available to that species, reproducing with another would not be problematic.

That is only for starters though because the theory of evolution doesnt dictate that an entire species got up and became another. It is that for a particular species small changes randomly adapted over time and at one point a new species popped up. Though that in itself is problematic because natural selection would not support something simply on the path to betterment. This in reference to genetic mutations. However to reproduce, there wouldnt have been an abundance of that new species because it would be an annomolly. Your complaint about 2 species reproducing has no weight, the fact that you support evolutionism doesnt deny it.

No I believe in science, not the unobjective atheistic quest for knowledge. That is what I'm trying to say. If God doesn't disagree with science then why is it claimed that God created the Earth when science is also claimed to creating the Earth?

Also, why do my reasons lack substance? You have no proof of how God exists, you haven't said one thing that implies God is real for definite, whereas I have backed up my beliefs.

No I believe in science, not the unobjective atheistic quest for knowledge. That is what I'm trying to say. If God doesn't disagree with science then why is it claimed that God created the Earth when science is also claimed to creating the Earth?

Also, why do my reasons lack substance? You have no proof of how God exists, you haven't said one thing that implies God is real for definite, whereas I have backed up my beliefs.

No offense intended but are you a child by any chance? How many times do I have to tell you that this is not about science vs religion. You follow suit in the unobjective atheistic quest for knowledge.

It is claimed that random chance created the universe because that is what ATHEISM dictates, not science. That is a philosophy pushed by atheists, plain and simple.

Because God created the universe does not mean that science doesnt exist. Science is meant to indentify, it is not a creator.

God creating the universe does not refute science, it refutes atheism.

As to proof of God existing, I am not trying to prove anything to you. That was not my intention in responding. I was only pointing out how incredibly unimformed and flat out wrong you are. You havent provided the slightest bit of proof, just conjecture.

Now please, all I did was correct your inaccuracies and the flaws in your thinking. Im not saying you cant believe in evolutionism, you can believe in whatever you want. You can believe that nothing really exists if you want, I dont care. Though I will correct you if you state that your philosophy is proven when it is quite clearly not.

Edit note : I notice from your profile that you are a kid. So let me just say that I apologize for coming down on you like that. I thought you were an adult and treated you as such.

Peace.

clickclick: "What is also a fact is that people have been taught what is KNOWN to be bullshit."

What is also a fact is that people have been taught there is a god, which is also KNOWN to be bullshit. The mere fact, clickclick, that you have to go on arguing about god is enough proof that you can't proove him. And don't ell me I have to disproove god, because one only has to proove something that you postulate to exist - if you say something exists, you have to proove it - I'm merely disagreeing with the existence of god because it can't be proven.

What is also a fact is that people have been taught there is a god, which is also KNOWN to be bullshit. The mere fact, clickclick, that you have to go on arguing about god is enough proof that you can't proove him. And don't ell me I have to disproove god, because one only has to proove something that you postulate to exist - if you say something exists, you have to proove it - I'm merely disagreeing with the existence of god because it can't be proven.

You can suppose or believe what you want. Makes not difference to me.

"You can suppose or believe what you want. Makes not difference to me."

So why are you arguing with me? I thought you were done with me. 😂

So why are you arguing with me? I thought you were done with me.

Im not. I thought it was obvious.

You said previously that you were done with me, so I guess I really fascinate you.

hardly, for some reason you decided to respond to me with your typical unintelligent posts.

I seek not to reply to you but yet you follow me around like a dog.