Ok, but how will you know for sure that you are not merely imagining an interference of your surroundings? Or, how can you be absolutely sure you are not imaginning everything right now? If one is inside one's own reality, everything makes sense inside of that 'reality'. Even if one doesn't go mad in an instant, but rather that it's a gradual process, how do you know you haven't already gone through that process of going mad and now have no memory of that?
Originally posted by Philosophicus
Ok, but how will you know for sure that you are not merely imagining an interference of your surroundings? Or, how can you be absolutely sure you are not imaginning everything right now? If one is inside one's own reality, everything makes sense inside of that 'reality'. Even if one doesn't go mad in an instant, but rather that it's a gradual process, how do you know you haven't already gone through that process of going mad and now have no memory of that?
Originally posted by Philosophicus
Victory! I see you have given up the argument. In other words, I assume you and I have proven by virtue of you not being able to give an irrefutable argument for the existence of a distinction between reality and illusion.
I still stand with what I said earlier. The difference between real perceptions and hallucinations is that you can repeat and reproduce results from real perceptions but not from hallucinations.
In psychiatry the term illusion refers to a specific form of sensory distortion. For example, hearing voices which arise only from the sound of running water. One still needs something out of reality to trigger the illusion.
Originally posted by Storm
This is not a battle!I still stand with what I said earlier. The difference between real perceptions and hallucinations is that you can repeat and reproduce results from real perceptions but not from hallucinations.
In psychiatry the term illusion refers to a specific form of sensory distortion. For example, hearing voices which arise only from the sound of running water. One still needs something out of reality to trigger the illusion.
Still you couldn't proove your argument with logic!? Your above reference to science prooves nothing - look at our earlier arguments - you couldn't proove anything, in the end you just gave in by saying something like welcome to your world of chimera bla bla...
You couldn' t prove anything either. If the life I' ve lived so far is an illusion then I must have a very vivid imagination. All my surroundings would be the product of my imagination, including you, the members, this whole forum, the world.
If my life is an illusion then it is certainly not my illusion. My so called illusionary would look totally different then the one which I' m supposed to live in now.
I said the following: "Ok, but how will you know for sure that you are not merely imagining an interference of your surroundings? Or, how can you be absolutely sure you are not imaginning everything right now? If one is inside one's own reality, everything makes sense inside of that 'reality'. Even if one doesn't go mad in an instant, but rather that it's a gradual process, how do you know you haven't already gone through that process of going mad and now have no memory of that? "
That is proof that you would definately not be able to know if you are indeed insane or not.
Moreover, illusions and hallucinations are reproducable as well. Insane people experience the exact same situations over and over again.
Storm, just walk away. He'll never give up and continue to ramble.
Moreover, illusions and hallucinations are reproducable as well. Insane people experience the exact same situations over and over again.
How appropriate that you were the one to say that Philo.
Life is not an illusion, you are born, you live, you die. Some folks make a good life for themselves, some chicken out and try to explain away their crappy life. The only illusions are the one's that some really sad or lonely people convince themselves to see and believe in order to make their lives tolerable.
Then of course there's Siefreid & Roy, David Blane and David Copperfield, there are some cool illusions there too.
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