I would think that the link Talon00x provided only helps Wonder Woman's case. The last page of the fight that the link provides shows the fight ending with Wonder Woman knocking Juggernaut into the sky, forcing him to collide with Mantis. Of course, Juggernaut didn't feel any pain, but Hulk would feel pain if she did that to him.
Originally posted by MatchesMalone
I would think that the link Talon00x provided only helps Wonder Woman's case. The last page of the fight that the link provides shows the fight ending with Wonder Woman knocking Juggernaut into the sky, forcing him to collide with Mantis. Of course, Juggernaut didn't feel any pain, but Hulk would feel pain if she did that to him.
very true if it wasnt for them he would have gotten back up and finished the fight properly 😉
as im sure you looked at the pics closely and she was completely outclassed by juggernaut, but thats not the point here 😄
ww vs hulk ok now which hulk is fighting? That does make a difference, and could decide this fight.
Yes he would have felt pain but nothing that would knock him out or incapacitate him. This fight would go the distance, (personally i dont think marvel should fight dc because they are to different look at dc how many powers does everyone have almost all of them are super strong can fly or something around that area.
Marvel is more you have a power so you stick too it kind of thing maybe thats why i see more marvel fans then dc (who knows, who cares) thats my opinion.
But if i must make a pick it would be hulk, if it isnt grey hulk or prof hulk of course.
Originally posted by supessucks
Actually, Hulk does have two weaknesses, Sleeping Gas can knock him out, and a powerful telepath could manipulate him, such as Apocalypse or Professor X.
Apocalypse isnt a powerful telepath, he beat hulk down and promised him power so he could test juggernaut with celestial power.
(if that is what you are refering too)
Originally posted by supessucks
I meant to say Phoenix or Professor X. Apocolypse could also beat Hulk. Apocalypse could beat almost any hero. He can take away anyone's power, without even touching them. He defeated Hulk by taking his strength. It could happen to almost anyone. That's why they keep him in the Tomb of Apocolypse
🤨 what are you talking about. He doesnt take away power! Taking hulks strength!? Apocalypse beat him into submission! No one keeps Apocalypse anywhere, are you going on a cartoon or something?
Apocalypse is a mutant who possesses superhuman strength which he can augment by psionically drawing on outside energy sources. Apocalypse can alter the atomic structure of his body at will in order to change his form. He can increase his size by taking on additional mass from a presumably extra-dimensional source. Through his ability to alter his form, Apocalypse can give himself virtually any superhuman physical power. He can levitate himself telekinetically. He can survive for weeks without food or water and can rapidly recover from injuries that would prove fatal to normal human beings.
Since Apocalypse can increase his strength by drawing on outside energy sources, his strength is potentially incalculable.
No one would be stupid enough to try and put him in a tomb
😆 a tomb, His where abouts are unknown 😆
Originally posted by supessucks
For the last time, No Wonder Woman does not have class 100 strength! She doesn't have a strength level page, and you cannot prove that the Alien Space craft weighed more than 100 tons! or 50 tons! or 10! you dont know HOW strong Wonder Woman is, You can only assume! Regardless of how strong she is, Hulk is stronger! Hulk is Invulnerable!
Wonder Woman's not! You can only make your fanatical assumptions!
Well, seeing as how most large hangar doors at most airports and military bases weight about 100 tons, I'm pretty sure that a large alien spacecraft would weight more than that. And you can't rely completely on that whole weight class ssytem of Marvel. The 100+ ton class doesn't just stop at 100 tons for example. Most of the characters in that class have exceeded that level many, many times (Hulk, Thor, Hercules, etc.). And, Hulk is nigh invulnerable, Wonder Woman is more than strong enough to hit him with something that he'd feel, mroe than once. And, Wonder Woman's not invulnerable herself, but she's still tough as hell, and could take whatever Hulk can dish out, she's taken worse after all. And Hulk being stronger? He has the potential, but to straight out say that he's stronger is a fanatical assumption on itself.
Originally posted by talon00x
very true if it wasnt for them he would have gotten back up and finished the fight properly 😉as im sure you looked at the pics closely and she was completely outclassed by juggernaut, but thats not the point here 😄
ww vs hulk ok now which hulk is fighting? That does make a difference, and could decide this fight.
Yes he would have felt pain but nothing that would knock him out or incapacitate him. This fight would go the distance, (personally i dont think marvel should fight dc because they are to different look at dc how many powers does everyone have almost all of them are super strong can fly or something around that area.
Marvel is more you have a power so you stick too it kind of thing maybe thats why i see more marvel fans then dc (who knows, who cares) thats my opinion.
But if i must make a pick it would be hulk, if it isnt grey hulk or prof hulk of course.
You are correct. I did look at the pics pretty closely, but I don't know what you mean when you say she was outclassed. Every single one of her hits knocked him back slightly and she ripped off his helmet. The fight ended with her knocking him back 30ft in the air. There was never a moment where she expressed any pain or displayed that it was a tough fight. This may be due to the fact that she had no opportunity to display a tough time, considering that she disposed of him relatively quickly. The only thing she forgot to do was write "punked" on his forehead. I know she didn't knock him out, but Wonder Woman certainly wasn't outclassed. I know this is not a Jug thread and I apologize for being off topic.
Originally posted by MatchesMalone
You are correct. I did look at the pics pretty closely, but I don't know what you mean when you say she was outclassed. Every single one of her hits knocked him back slightly and she ripped off his helmet. The fight ended with her knocking him back 30ft in the air. There was never a moment where she expressed any pain or displayed that it was a tough fight. This may be due to the fact that she had no opportunity to display a tough time, considering that she disposed of him relatively quickly. The only thing she forgot to do was write "punked" on his forehead. I know she didn't knock him out, but Wonder Woman certainly wasn't outclassed. I know this is not a Jug thread and I apologize for being off topic.
showing pain isnt a sign of being outclassed, Juggernaut is incapable of feeling pain yet he was outclassed by war, (Hulk=on of the four horsemen of apocalypse) 😄
did you look at the other pics she get off one punch and ends it the other pics she is getting a beatdown even after she takes his helmet he smiles and puts her through a wall.
Originally posted by Tron
Well, seeing as how most large hangar doors at most airports and military bases weight about 100 tons, I'm pretty sure that a large alien spacecraft would weight more than that. And you can't rely completely on that whole weight class ssytem of Marvel. The 100+ ton class doesn't just stop at 100 tons for example. Most of the characters in that class have exceeded that level many, many times (Hulk, Thor, Hercules, etc.). And, Hulk is nigh invulnerable, Wonder Woman is more than strong enough to hit him with something that he'd feel, mroe than once. And, Wonder Woman's not invulnerable herself, but she's still tough as hell, and could take whatever Hulk can dish out, she's taken worse after all. And Hulk being stronger? He has the potential, but to straight out say that he's stronger is a fanatical assumption on itself.
Denver < Earth.
The Angel Spacecraft was not from Wonder Woman's dimension, but from Heaven. It may not have weighed 100 tons, and I believe that she was wearing Atlas' gauntlets while she did this (those would give her strength greater than class 100.) She may or may not be stronger than Hulk (DC has no strength level list), and if she is, Hulk could become stronger in mere seconds. One punch from Wonder woman would be enough to set him off. Hulk is invulnerable; bullets, explosives, atomic bomb blasts ect. don't hurt him. Wonder Woman, no matter how tough she is, does not possess Hulk's level of invulnerability, and would definately "feel" one of Hulk's punches. If the two went blow for blow Wonder Woman definately falls first. However she is much faster than Hulk, which is a large factor. She could overcome him with her speed. I am not a Fanboy. I will admit that Hulk could lose to Wonder Woman, but not under the pretenses you specify.
Originally posted by talon00x
showing pain isnt a sign of being outclassed, Juggernaut is incapable of feeling pain yet he was outclassed by war, (Hulk=on of the four horsemen of apocalypse) 😄did you look at the other pics she get off one punch and ends it the other pics she is getting a beatdown even after she takes his helmet he smiles and puts her through a wall.
I saw all the pics that the link provided. I'm sorry, but she got off more than just that one finishing punch. I also didn't see anybody beating her down. I saw her get rid off Juggernaut with very little time and trouble on her part. I never said showing pain is a sign of being outclassed. But, I do think dominating somebody without even being phased by any of their attacks is outclassing them in a fight. Would somebody please look at the 3 pages that Talon's link provides and give us their two cents on who had the better performance? This way we can have another perspective without Talon and I going in circles. The link is on page 5 of this thread. Thanks.
Originally posted by supessucks
Wonder Woman lifted a spacecraft the size of Denver. Hulk pulverized an asteroid twice the size of Earth.Denver < Earth.
The Angel Spacecraft was not from Wonder Woman's dimension, but from Heaven. It may not have weighed 100 tons, and I believe that she was wearing Atlas' gauntlets while she did this (those would give her strength greater than class 100.) She may or may not be stronger than Hulk (DC has no strength level list), and if she is, Hulk could become stronger in mere seconds. One punch from Wonder woman would be enough to set him off. Hulk is invulnerable; bullets, explosives, atomic bomb blasts ect. don't hurt him. Wonder Woman, no matter how tough she is, does not possess Hulk's level of invulnerability, and would definately "feel" one of Hulk's punches. If the two went blow for blow Wonder Woman definately falls first. However she is much faster than Hulk, which is a large factor. She could overcome him with her speed. I am not a Fanboy. I will admit that Hulk could lose to Wonder Woman, but not under the pretenses you specify.
What do you mean Hulk wouldn't lose under the pretenses he specified? Tron never specified any pretenses and he didn't even say Hulk would lose. His point was that Wonder Woman is tough enough to take Hulk's punches and that Hulk would feel her punches. That's it. He didn't state who he thinks should win. Also, there is no point in questioning if Wonder Woman can lift 100 tons. If you don't know she can lift 100 tons, then you know almost nothing about her or your crazy.
Originally posted by talon00x
🤨 what are you talking about. He doesnt take away power! Taking hulks strength!? Apocalypse beat him into submission! No one keeps Apocalypse anywhere, are you going on a cartoon or something?Apocalypse is a mutant who possesses superhuman strength which he can augment by psionically drawing on outside energy sources. Apocalypse can alter the atomic structure of his body at will in order to change his form. He can increase his size by taking on additional mass from a presumably extra-dimensional source. Through his ability to alter his form, Apocalypse can give himself virtually any superhuman physical power. He can levitate himself telekinetically. He can survive for weeks without food or water and can rapidly recover from injuries that would prove fatal to normal human beings.
Since Apocalypse can increase his strength by drawing on outside energy sources, his strength is potentially incalculable.
No one would be stupid enough to try and put him in a tomb
😆 a tomb, His where abouts are unknown 😆
Stop cutting and pasting.
Apocolypse can use telepathy, as he could use any superhuman power. Apocalypse CAN take other's energy (e.g. Hulk's Gamma energy,) and add it to his strength. Apocolypse is thousands of years old. He was the first mutant, born in ancient Egypt. And he was trapped in the tomb of Apocolypse, otherwise he would kick everyone's ass (even Juggernaut's,) and take over earth. Don't you remember that Sinister freed him?
Originally posted by supessucks
Stop cutting and pasting.Apocolypse can use telepathy, as he could use any superhuman power. Apocalypse CAN take other's energy (e.g. Hulk's Gamma energy,) and add it to his strength. Apocolypse is thousands of years old. He was the first mutant, born in ancient Egypt. And he was trapped in the tomb of Apocolypse, otherwise he would kick everyone's ass (even Juggernaut's,) and take over earth. Don't you remember that Sinister freed him?
He did take over the world. see AoA there is about to be another age of apocalypse. I thought he met Sinister in london? He wasnt sinister yet
Originally posted by MatchesMalone
I saw all the pics that the link provided. I'm sorry, but she got off more than just that one finishing punch. I also didn't see anybody beating her down. I saw her get rid off Juggernaut with very little time and trouble on her part. I never said showing pain is a sign of being outclassed. But, I do think dominating somebody without even being phased by any of their attacks is outclassing them in a fight. Would somebody please look at the 3 pages that Talon's link provides and give us their two cents on who had the better performance? This way we can have another perspective without Talon and I going in circles. The link is on page 5 of this thread. Thanks.
The first pic he starts off by slamming her head in the ground, then she hits him he replys whoa that almost hurt or something to that. Then they both clash.She knocks off his helmet only to reviel a smile on the juggernauts face then she gets put through a wall. Then she knocks him into spiderman and someother dude which is sorta lame being she hit him just right and whadayakno there they are almost like there waiting 😱
but yeah your right It wasnt as dominating as i remeber i guess i keep thinking of whats happening between those pics you know thats not the whole fight, im sure it was better 😄
He would dominate in strength, and invunerability, fighting experience of course not all the fighting ex juggernaut has is the military. But all the fight experience in the world would do much good with someone that is invincible.
And what if spiderman and that other guy wasnt there? Juggernaut would have gotten back up. What then?
Originally posted by supessucks
Stop cutting and pasting.Apocolypse can use telepathy, as he could use any superhuman power. Apocalypse CAN take other's energy (e.g. Hulk's Gamma energy,) and add it to his strength. Apocolypse is thousands of years old. He was the first mutant, born in ancient Egypt. And he was trapped in the tomb of Apocolypse, otherwise he would kick everyone's ass (even Juggernaut's,) and take over earth. Don't you remember that Sinister freed him?
I dont cut and paste i resent that. I copy then paste 😄 anyway he does have telepathy but i thought you said he was a powerful telepath? He doesnt have enough telepathy to control hulk, I believe he has certain point of blocking power due to him have different sides of hulkage idk you would have to talk to a hulk fan i deal more with juggernaut and apocalypse.
I could be confusing you with a completely differnent person on a completely thread if so i apologize lol 😆
Originally posted by supessucks
Wonder Woman lifted a spacecraft the size of Denver. Hulk pulverized an asteroid twice the size of Earth.Denver < Earth.
The Angel Spacecraft was not from Wonder Woman's dimension, but from Heaven. It may not have weighed 100 tons, and I believe that she was wearing Atlas' gauntlets while she did this (those would give her strength greater than class 100.) She may or may not be stronger than Hulk (DC has no strength level list), and if she is, Hulk could become stronger in mere seconds. One punch from Wonder woman would be enough to set him off. Hulk is invulnerable; bullets, explosives, atomic bomb blasts ect. don't hurt him. Wonder Woman, no matter how tough she is, does not possess Hulk's level of invulnerability, and would definately "feel" one of Hulk's punches. If the two went blow for blow Wonder Woman definately falls first. However she is much faster than Hulk, which is a large factor. She could overcome him with her speed. I am not a Fanboy. I will admit that Hulk could lose to Wonder Woman, but not under the pretenses you specify.
What Matches said. And, an extremely large ship, no matter where it's from, would have to be very damn heavy. I'm pretty sure the writers didn't sit back and say "well, since it's from Heaven, we'll make it weight about 25 lbs. or so", get what I'm saying? You can think what you want on that, but I say that anything that large has to weigh way over 100 tons. But, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that point though.
Anyways, I know she would "feel" Hulk's punches, but she's been shown as durable enough to take whatever he hits her with. And Hulk is nigh invulnerable, meaning that he's tough as hell, tougher than Wonder Woman maybe, but he can still be hurt by attacks of sufficient strength and power, and Wonder Woman's more than strong enough to hurt Hulk. And true, she could overcome him with her speed, and her overall better fighting skills. It would be a hard fight for her to win though, if she able to do it, but regardless she's definitely a contender for Hulk.