The DC Irony Dilemma: Why DC is second to Marvel

Is that you PR??? Your real face???

Well I sure the average comic reader would have problems with 30 Marvel guys to.

I think it goes with taste instand of DC vs MArvel.

DC is doing good, right now its on the shoulders of Batman and Supes(But than again they have been on there Shoulders for over 40 years)

Marvel as Spiderman and X-Men, They are on there Shoulders.

how yeah, no it did not take me 2 days, About 6 min at the most to come up with names. 15 min, to write the names and see if I did not list some one 2 times.

marvel also has the hulk, iron man is huge. i love dc, ive been reading supes and bats as long as ive been reading comics, but you can make up 30 marvels from the x-men, avengers, fantastic four and whoevers left.

maybe it is more up to taste, i'm just going by personal experience.

my real face?

YEs the person in your Avtor,

I been reading DC since I was a kid, I can come up with about 7 X-Men(Maybe) Dont know who is on the Avengers, OF couse the FF will fill up four slots.

But I conisder Spiderman and X-Men the big money sellers for Marvel.

With out these 2 there will be a BIG money Gap. Maybe Hulk could fill it, but I dont think so.

If Supes and Bats were gone, Than I am Sure DC will sink, Than again 2nd rate heros like Flash and Wonder Woman could hold them up??(2nd rate heros not on skills, but on who has the most fans.)

oh, no, thats marvin gaye...

suppose its more down to personal experience then. i've always been a big flash fan but without bats and supes dc would as you said die.

MArvel and DC, is more like Rep or or Demc(Not getting into poitics, Just saying your either read more DC comics, or more Marvel comics.)

My freinds are big DC people, and though them I read DC comics.

The only 2 Marvel Comics I read(Sometimes) are Spiderman and X-Men.

Thats it.

My big 3 are Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, I big on collection these 3 heros because hey. Bats and Supes are tops for Dc.(And the Joker shows up in Batman, but even than, I collect Bat comics with out the Joker.

And Wonder Woman is great, and She has many great comic storys to read(Imo)

i'm a neutral then. when i was 6 i'd go to the comic store once a month and the essentials would be bats, supes, x-men and maybe silver surfer. i have almost equal love for them, my top 4 chars in order being cyclops, supes/batman(tied), colossus. guess i'm one of the few...

i used to read exclusively x-men, then i read exclusively marvel, and now i prefer DC, but collect various comics from both dc and marvel

Originally posted by ebosian
The irony of DC is so stated: The creators of Superman made him one of the most powerful heroes in any of the comics. However they had to give him a vulnerability to diliberate him maybe to increase his appeal; kyrptonite. So if a bum on the street happened to pick some up, he could kick the crap out of superman.

You don't seem to know much about Superman. The creators of Superman did not make him to be as powerful as he is now, and certainly not as powerful as Pre-Crisis Superman. Jerry Seigal and Joe Shuster granted Superman powers like the ability the leap 1/8th of a mile in one jump, with the strength to lift a car or two, and only enough speed to outrun a bullet, along with his heat and x-ray vision. Their vision of the original Superman has been warped greatly. And if you didn't know, Jim Lee's run on Superman is currently the best-selling comic on the market, including anything Marvel has(I think Ultimate Spiderman is #2).

Then you have Batman. One of the weakest heroes in any of the comics at peak human strength. Yet, in the writer's psyhe they had to make him seem unbeatable. So they give him a belt that has anything they want in it that happens to have all the gadgets or weaknesses of his opponents. On top of that, they give him extraordinary luck and innate knowledge to make devices or happen upon devices or strategies to fight anyone. So you have Batman beating characters like Spawn or Superman.

Right...and ordinary strength men in Marvel don't do the exact same thing.[/sarcasm] Again, Batman's original creator, Bob Kane, intended him only to be a detective, not what he is now. With superheroes becoming the norm, they had to make him special somehow. And Batman never actually beat Spawn, it was a draw the first time, because he had some special gauntlets, and the second time Spawn lost his powers, and it was still a draw.

Now the point of the topic; You have one of the most powerful characters in DC get beat by one of the most weakest. DC has no leg to stand on if they take the Superman character to Marvel and Marvel has Daredevil clean Superman's clock. Then again they would just bring Batman to Marvel and have Batman pull a glove from his belt that would allow him to punch out the Hulk. You decide what is far fetched.

Somehow you just seem to ignore that strength isn't everything, and just throw away the fact that Batman is one of the most intelligent characters in DC. Sure, you can call him weak, but that doesn't mean too much when he has an i.q. of over 250.

Marvel is not free from delusions of grandeur. Marvel should pull the reigns on Wolverine before they fall into the DC trap. His healing factor is extraordinary and is staked in stone, however being able to take swings from the big green fellow and surviving a nuclear explosion now makes him invulnerable, doesn't it? Lets put a little reality back into fantasy...

I just kinda toss the nuclear blast thing to the side, most of the Venom: Run series was pretty ****ing ridiculous. As for taking Hulk's blows and still standing...I hate those comics.

Along with all of this, you must understand, THEY'RE COMIC BOOKS.

Originally posted by eleveninches
there are about 15 x-men titles out at the moment. Thats WAY too much 😠

im focusing on comics, not characters in comics....of course theres gonna be alot of bad guys in a comic thats been around since before my time, especially hundreds of wierd ones on odd-ball issues

wanna talk about over-exposure? comics featuring superman, not as cameo's but as an important character(some are just current mini-series'😉:action comics, superman, JLA, JL:unlimited, superman😖trength, superman:unconventional warfare, adventures of superman, JLA:classified, and superman/batman

.....no need in pointing fingers, more series means more of a chance for people to buy alot of their comics, everyone does it, dc and marvel just do it with their big name titles, i dont even wanna get into batman-featured titles

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
You don't seem to know much about Superman. The creators of Superman did not make him to be as powerful as he is now, and certainly not as powerful as Pre-Crisis Superman. Jerry Seigal and Joe Shuster granted Superman powers like the ability the leap 1/8th of a mile in one jump, with the strength to lift a car or two, and only enough speed to outrun a bullet, along with his heat and x-ray vision. Their vision of the original Superman has been warped greatly. And if you didn't know, Jim Lee's run on Superman is currently the best-selling comic on the market, including anything Marvel has(I think Ultimate Spiderman is #2).

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
I just kinda toss the nuclear blast thing to the side, most of the Venom: Run series was pretty ****ing ridiculous. As for taking Hulk's blows and still standing...I hate those comics.

Along with all of this, you must understand, THEY'RE COMIC BOOKS.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Right...and ordinary strength men in Marvel don't do the exact same thing.[/sarcasm] Again, Batman's original creator, Bob Kane, intended him only to be a detective, not what he is now. With superheroes becoming the norm, they had to make him special somehow. And Batman never actually beat Spawn, it was a draw the first time, because he had some special gauntlets, and the second time Spawn lost his powers, and it was still a draw.

Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
Somehow you just seem to ignore that strength isn't everything, and just throw away the fact that Batman is one of the most intelligent characters in DC. Sure, you can call him weak, but that doesn't mean too much when he has an i.q. of over 250.

sorry for the multiple posts 😉

Originally posted by Havoc470
please, there are 3 or 4 long running ones and a few mini-series, but im talking about with the main xmen, to do spin off's like new xmen is just obvious seeing as the main teams arent the only mutants in the school

new xmen = spin off, maybe you should read it heheh

nyx = spin off, maybe you should read that one too

what if....its a what if

wolverine: the end, you mean the two xmen who arent even from the original team in that quick cameo in the last issue, dont make me bring up brief cameos with dc comics

jubilee = solo comic.....remember the xmen are a team, composed of different characters, oh yeah...its also a mini-series

x-23 = yet another spin off

nightcrawler = much deserved solo comic

starjammers = a completely different team

gambit, wolverine, sabretooth = solo comics...one isnt even part of the xmen, but he's an enemy

im talking of comics with the actual team in it, its not an xmen comic if one character is in it and no one else, 4 long running xmen comics are xmen, astonishing xmen, uncanny xmen, and ultimate xmen, age of apocalypse is a mini-series and so is xmen: the end

its still too many comics with x-men in them

definately, and the basta*ds used to start a story ark in one comic and end it in a different comic altogether...

alot of them are solo's, one is an enemy, starjammers has very close to nothing to do with the xmen (although they do have their ties)

the x-mansion is a school, spin-offs should rightfully be made and solo comics of some of the characters should by all means be taken head on which leads back to my point, marvel hasnt shot the sheriff any more times than dc has....but marvel has been accused of it

Originally posted by pr1983
definately, and the basta*ds used to start a story ark in one comic and end it in a different comic altogether...

its both companies of course, i'm just pissed that they do story arcs across different comics...

yeah, both companies will always do that, its all for sales....at least they throw in the odd 25 cent comic every now and again heheh