fantastic 5 (what if issue 1) vs any spidey or F4 villains

I was adding my own example which happened to be five. Rhino and the others were Mainstream's. Human Torch and Invisible Woman alone might be too much for the first group.

And on Rhino being outsmarted, he will be outsmarted by most characters anyway.

true. true.
sorry about that just when you said they were a decoy I thought they were included in your group.

any other offers on who could the f4 and spidey

I know 2 who could whip their asses galactus and kang the conquerer.

no. how about mysterio, dr doom, doc ock, super skrull and lizard.

theyd get beat too, Sue can take out doc ock by putting a bubble around his head, lizard would get jammed on b thing and sue and super skrull always loses anyway so hed go down especialy with spidey, mysterio always was a crappy villain and here hes out of his league. ONly person who would give them problems is dr doom but im sure with spidey too theyd beat doom. These are all without even thnking of reeds mad crazy science know how.

and my earlier one with just 2 anyone like to comment