Hulk & Juggernuat vs Lobo & Doomsday

Originally posted by KingD19
Juggernaut did have his helmet on when Onslaught launched him, he was shown lying unconscious in the ground at the end of a furrow of dirt, with his helmet on. WWH beat him on a technicality.

And I remember both of them were in the temple, but when it collapsed, Xavier got out, and Cain was trapped, then he was transformed and escaped. But I heard nothing of Onslaught messing with the power flow, although something could have happened when he ripped the ruby out of his chest.

And secondly in New Excalibur it was stated by Cyttorak himself that Onslaught was in fact afraid of Cain's power and was the reason why he went after Cain first.

and Xavier was intended to be the wielder of the gem instead Cain this was also stated in New Excalibur.

Never said he wasn't, he still got one shotted, might've been a plot device, but it still happened.

Never said Onslaught wasn't afraid of Cain, but he still knocked him across the border and into Jersey.

And I never said Xavier wasn't supposed to be Cyttorak's templar, I said he got out of the temple, and Cain was trapped. But whether he is or not, Cytorrak gave Cain full access to all of his powers, Cain's just not creative or smart enough to use them all. Which is proven when the kid finds the ruby and does all sorts of weird stuff with it.

Originally posted by KingD19
Never said he wasn't, he still got one shotted, might've been a plot device, but it still happened.

Never said Onslaught wasn't afraid of Cain, but he still knocked him across the border and into Jersey.

And I never said Xavier wasn't supposed to be Cyttorak's templar, I said he got out of the temple, and Cain was trapped. But whether he is or not, Cytorrak gave Cain full access to all of his powers, Cain's just not creative or smart enough to use them all. Which is proven when the kid finds the ruby and does all sorts of weird stuff with it.

Also that Xavier being apart of Onslaught could have very well have allowed him the ability or access to the gem. Hence him being able to pull it out.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well, they could kill Doomsday in a way that kept him out of the fight for a long time, like ripping him in half.

Originally posted by Newjak
I was just adding context to events showing that it wasn't like Cain was at full power when he got knocked around by Onslaught off panel.

Also that Xavier being apart of Onslaught could have very well have allowed him the ability or access to the gem. Hence him being able to pull it out.

Well, Doomsday also has to get in close to fight, just as all the others do, Cain or Hulk can knock Lobo out of the fight for a bit, and when DD tries to throw a punch, Juggs can take it, Hulk can dodge(He's wicked fast too), and then they both get a half, and pull.

I understand where you're coming from Newjak, and that Onslaught possessed a bit of Xavier's conscious may have been it, or it could have been that he bordered on god hood, I don't really know, but he looked cool at least.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um. Why wasn't cain at full power? When he went to the other universe, his power was cut in half instantly. So why wouldn't it be back to normal instantly. Unless you can prove he was depowered, it makes sense that he was at full power.

Not to mention by the time he had left the other universe he was drastically weaker than half his power.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well, Doomsday also has to get in close to fight, just as all the others do, Cain or Hulk can knock Lobo out of the fight for a bit, and when DD tries to throw a punch, Juggs can take it, Hulk can dodge(He's wicked fast too), and then they both get a half, and pull.

I understand where you're coming from Newjak, and that Onslaught possessed a bit of Xavier's conscious may have been it, or it could have been that he bordered on god hood, I don't really know, but he looked cool at least.

Originally posted by fangirl101
where do you even think juggs is as strong as the other three lulz. He'd no more be able to over power DD and rip him in half than aunt may could over power lois lane.

Current Juggernaut at bare minimum physically stalemated World War Hulk. So I'd certainly put him over Hulk or Lobo physically. But rip DD in half? I agree with you. So not happening.

Originally posted by KingD19
Juggernaut did have his helmet on when Onslaught launched him, he was shown lying unconscious in the ground at the end of a furrow of dirt, with his helmet on. WWH beat him on a technicality.

And I remember both of them were in the temple, but when it collapsed, Xavier got out, and Cain was trapped, then he was transformed and escaped. But I heard nothing of Onslaught messing with the power flow, although something could have happened when he ripped the ruby out of his chest.

it was explained in the "unredeemed" story arc i believe. it stated that xavier was originally meant to recieve the juggernaut power and thats why he disrupted the flow of cains power as onslaught.

also you keep referring to off panel fights 😉. doesnt hold ANY water. the only on panel evidence also supports a telepathic assault against juggernaut. who's to say that onslaught didnt mentally block cain from fighting, then mentally commanded him to summon his armor AFTER he hurled him and then mentally commanded him to act hurt? onslaught could do anything he wanted to mentally to juggernaut.

Team two.

Actually when Juggs fought Hulk, Cytorrak gave him all his powers back, saying the only reason he was weakened was because he was trying to be someone he wasn't.

And what was off panel? Onslaught socked him, and he flew, end of story. He was unconscious at the time, so I doubt if he didn't have his armor, he could make him summon it.

And the fight between Juggs and WWH was on panel, the had a few exchanges, then they locked up, and Juggs was slowly starting to move Hulk, then he used his own momentum and got out og the way.