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Well, living tribunal is in charge of the marvel multiverse, whereas lucifer and michael are 2 of the most powerful in the DCU (a multiverse consolidated into one universe). However, lucifer has been present at the start of 3 universes in total (DCU, lucifers universe, and elaine's universe).
The (true) beyonder, however, is outside of both the marvel and DC multiverses and is powerful throughout the megaverse, so he could probably beat the other 3 by himself
yes, the original beyonder was retconned into a much less powerful being. the same one that landed on the celestial "home world" and humbled the entire celestial host.
he later encountered a single celestial and kubik was deathly afraid of it, and said that he and the beyonder should move on before it irradicated them.
That's what the reckon did. When "Original" Beyonder is used, what's meant by that was before he was reckoned. The Beyonder that was all powerful and no one could match...BEFORE Marvel decided to lower his statis and make his SW I & II feats into merely illusions.
It's basically how does the Original (the first intended) Beyonder and LT do against Michael & Lucifer.
the reason I think Lucifer & Michael could win is because together there power is on another level. the Lt and the sw beyonder were powerful but they never should the power to effect a whole multiverse at once. I know Lt and the sw beyonder can destroy may universes with ease but the have never shown ther power on a multiversely level
lucifer and micheal can win against the tribunal with ease, but the problem arises with the beyonder{for simplicity's sake lets just refer to him as not the beyonder of secret wars but as one of the TRUE BEYONDERS that live in the beyond realm}
because the beyonder is neither boound nor affected or is under any of the physical or mystical rules, concepts or boundries of the universe or multiverese, his nature is BEYOND everything, and he did have the power to destroy an entire multiverse{but hasnt shown the power to CREATE one, but its possible}, so its kinda confusing
Guys do you know what the two angels can do? on there own they can create and distroy universes and together they can create multiverses. Lucifer Morningstar stood right in front of the demiurgic explosion and didnt even flinch and for your info the two angels are also beyond the laws of time and space they can actually create the concepts of time and space themselves. Lucifer Morningstar has been seen beyond the boundaries of existance. The beyonders powers were described in the end of secret wars II as being 300 times more powerful then the multiverse now for guys who can whip up a multiverse i dont think there is a contest.
not exactly, as i understand, lucifer and micheal can create time and existance but nothing really outside of that, the beyond realm is beyond anthing and everything, laws, rules concepts, u name it, it is incomprehensible, plus micheal and lucifer TOGETHER can create a multiverse, not alone, and if just one of the beyonder race has 300 times more power then the entire marvel multiverse then id say that puts the beyonders on a position which is only second to the mysterious, THE ONE ABOVE ALL.
Beyonder and Tribunal win this easily. Lucifer and Michael are really powerful, but Tribunal still technically has domain over them if you really think about it.
Tribunal has power of judgment over all creations of "The One Above All". That's his sole purpose. His purpose isn't really to go to battle or anything like that, he simply keeps order in all creation and existence and has the means to do so when necessary. There really is no power greater than his other than that of the the creator because his power comes from the power that created all power and all existence, if you get me, and his sole purpose, granted by the power that created all power and all existence, is to govern all power and all existence, at all levels.
The only one above Tribunal is the Creator, period.
There are other unimaginably powerful beings out there, but if it becomes necessary for the Tribunal to step in and stop them, he has all the power and means necessary to do it.
[note: I know people always come with the whole "If he's so powerful, why didn't he stop 'so-and-so' when he did 'such-and-such' argument, and the answer to that is simple: if the Tribunal stepped in everytime somthing bad happened, nothing would ever happen. There has to be a balance. Some events, even really diabolical, destructive, evil events, have to happen simply for balance. When there's a true imbalance, Tribunal acts, and nothing can stop his action save the one above him which is The One Above All, and HE trusts Tribunal a lot].
As for the original Beyonder, he's simply half the power of a cosmic cube that became sentient, so he's powerful, but really not all that powerful. He's still a part of existence, even if from a incomprehendable dimension beyond the 'multiverse' they are still below the Creator (they wouldn't exist if The Creator didn't create them), and therefore below the Tribunal, and therefore Tribunal still has domain over him and every being from that dimension when and if it becomes necessary. The One Above All (or the Highest GOD) created everything on every level and plane of existence and gave Tribunal domain and judgement over it all. All those "Cosmic" items and "Infinity" items get their power from the source of all power, and Tribunal was granted domain over all power by the source of all power. I really don't see a reason to place Tribunal in battles. Unless you make him fight The Creator he has no equal or superior, that is the way The Creator set things in order, and that's simply how it is.
Umm you havent read the Lucifer comics have you? Or even the bio's they both existed before creation and yes they can create the concepts of time and space. The tribunal and the beyonder cant come close to beings who existed before creation itself and Lucifer Morningstar has been seen living beyond the boundaries of reality thats his way of getting out of his former masters universe. To Micheal and Lucifer Morningstar time and space are play things and even when he is not an angel Lucifer Morningstar has beaten gods what are you people talking about the LT and Beyonder are above or equal to? Lucifer Morningstar survived a explosion that could have whiped out a multiverse and he wasnt even scrathed. The LT cant even defeat the time twisters who can use time against there enemies. There power over time is so great that not even the LT can judge them cause they exist at the end of the time line when the multiverse will be destroyed and a new one will come to be they were made to educate the new multiverse of the mistakes of the old one to prevent the same fate they were created by HE WHO REMAINS. They almost distroyed all the time streams before HE WHO REMAINS stoped them from ever even being born. The LT doesnt even have controll over the time keeprers who are like the time twisters except basically there just time janitors and dont have the same power.
Umm, you obviously don't understand the logic of my point. Michael and Lucifer may have existed before life (creation), but they were still created by The Higher Power. The fact that the Tribunal came after them is irrelevent. The Tribunal was created with the sole purpose of having domain over all things below The Creator itself, it's that simple. It's not even a hard concept to comprehend.
Just because the key was created after the door doesn't change the fact that the key is the only means of opening the door.
As for the Time Twister's storyline, it makes no logical sense. Anything The One Above All brought into existence the Living Tribunal has domain over except for the Creator himself.
It's not logical, even for a comic book. They're going against their own premise.