Michael Moore,the most influential liberal.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
1. Michael Moore doesn't make documentaries...........he makes propoganda films. Documentaries are films which present facts .......without biased opinion.

You are factually correct, but you are unlikely to ever find any 'documentary' that has no editorial content/bias.

The point of 'Farenheit 911' was pure and simple - 'Get Bush out of the White House'. Alas, it failed.

I agree with Moore's politics, but all his productions need to be taken with a pinch of salt for seasoning...if you're looking for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then good luck to you. However, 'truth' is also based on subjectivity...

The point of 'Farenheit 911' was pure and simple - 'Get Bush out of the White House'. Alas, it failed.

true........and true. Not only did Bush win the electoral votes, he actually won the popular vote this time around too.

My point is.........why did he make an entire movie trashing Bush for having past business and personal relationships with the Saudi royal family? What did the Saudis ever do to Moore to piss him off so bad that he speaks of them as though they are somehow our enemy?

There are plenty of good reasons to trash Bush..........his intelligence probably being the best. Why go through the trouble of making a film which presents his family's relationship with the Saudi royal family as being something bad?

Evil Dead originally posted
My point is.........why did he make an entire movie trashing Bush for having past business and personal relationships with the Saudi royal family? What did the Saudis ever do to Moore to piss him off so bad that he speaks of them as though they are somehow our enemy?

The point of trashing the Saudis was that he was showing that as a country, the general population of Saudi Arabia hates the states and that most of the Terrorists from 9/11 were Saudis, yet bush attacked Iraq. He tried to show that Bushs' relationship with the Saudi royal family was the reason that they did not go after Saudi Arabi which offers a safe haven for terrorists.

If you have to ask "What did the Saudis ever do to Moore to piss him off so bad", then you either don't pay any attention whatsoever to past or current events, or you completely have your head in the sand.

so countries should dislike the United States because we harbor the Klu Klux Klan and Neo Nazis?

I reitterate, the actions taken by those idiots on 911 were in no way endorsed by the Saudi government or their royal family...............it was an act purpetrated by a few religious extremists.......acting on behalf of their religion not on behalf of any country.

If you have to ask "What did the Saudis ever do to Moore to piss him off so bad", then you either don't pay any attention whatsoever to past or current events, or you completely have your head in the sand.

that is just ridiculous...........so we blame Bill Clinton because Timothy McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City Federal Building? Bill Clinton was the leader of the country that was harboring Timothy McVeigh.

so countries should dislike the United States because we harbor the Klu Klux Klan and Neo Nazis

No, the US government foreign policy gives most of the world an excuse to dislike the United states. And the US does not harbour those groups. To "harbour" means to let and individual or group go about its' business safely and within the confines of your jurisdiction. I would like to think that the US government actually investigates and keeps an eye on their more radical populations, that is not so the case in saudi arabia.

so we blame Bill Clinton because Timothy McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City Federal Building? Bill Clinton was the leader of the country that was harboring Timothy McVeigh.

Once again the US did not harbour McVeigh. McVeigh was a US citizen who the US government actively pursued. The Saudis are not doing too much in that regards.

And the US does not harbour those groups. To "harbour" means to let and individual or group go about its' business safely and within the confines of your jurisdiction. I would like to think that the US government actually investigates and keeps an eye on their more radical populations, that is not so the case in saudi arabia.

um........that is the very definition of harboring. The U.S. allows the KKK and neonazis to meet and organize freely.........which it should do as it is their right protected by the constitution..........but it's still harboring none the less.

no matter how many movies Moore makes.......or how many posts you make...........the fact still remains that the Saudi government did not endorse or even know about the terror attack on 911..........thier government has been one of our few MidEast allies........and Moore is just lumping the royal family together with Al Queda terrorists because they are from the same country, which would be no better than people lumping all of us Americans together with David Duke or Tim McVeigh.

and you are a bit wrong on your facts..........Saudi Arabia has much harsher penalties for terrorism than we do and they do not let them freely go about their business. The Saudis have busted up so many terror cells within their country that the terrorists have actually targeted Saudi Arabia in the past few years...........there have been numerous car bombings and kidnappings there by terrorists for this very reason. It's not America vs the brown people...........both America and Saudi Arabia fight terrorism.

And where did I say it was "america vs. the brown people"? I was your president who called his war on terrorism a "crusade", now that's drawing the "us vs. them" lines. Don't paint me with that brush, until a year ago the Iraqis weren't your enemy either.

The Saudi gov't may have harsh policies against terrorism, yet alot of terrorist money comes from saudi interests, and Al Queda recruitment of young saudi men during the conflict in Iraq was unusually high.

I am not saying that all Saudis are bad, what I am saying is that there are terrorist cells and financial interests in Saudi arabia (that are far more pressing and of higher strategic importance to al queda than Iraq ever was) that will never be dealt with because of the Bush family's relationship with the Saudi Royal family. The Saudi Royal family are also completely out of touch with their population. And there is distinct possibility that will come to a head in the near future.

I hate that man.He did not deserved that award last night at all.That jerk.And his stupid smile.I was the one that booed him too when he showed up at the Republican Convention last year.JM

you were at the republican convention?

Evil Dead...

The problem with the Saudis is that they control America's most precious love...Oil. They have lots and lots and lots of it. Therefore, the US is not going to openly criticise a country that it has a concerted interest in.

What do you think the US would have done if 97% of the 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq? North Korea? Iran? They would have gone straight to war IN those countries, regardless of whether the governments were considered benign...by their relationship as the harborers of the terrorists, they would have been considered guilty by association.

"The point of 'Farenheit 911' was pure and simple - 'Get Bush out of the White House'. Alas, it failed"

No. The point of it was "This is why you should get Bush out of the White House." Regardless of twisted facts and borderline propaganda, it's reasons for being anti-bush were quite clearly truth orientated. The movie didn't fail, a majority of the American people (youngsters to be precise) did.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The point of it was "This is why you should get Bush out of the White House." Regardless of twisted facts and borderline propaganda, it's reasons for being anti-bush were quite clearly truth orientated. The movie didn't fail, a majority of the American people (youngsters to be precise) did.

Reasons are there to support results...Moore's desired result didn't come about. Bush is still there. Thus it failed.

Moore made the movie to get Bush out. It was popular and widely seen, but it didn't complete what it was there to do.

"Moore made the movie to get Bush out. It was popular and widely seen, but it didn't complete what it was there to do."

The movie was quite blatantly there to "open" people's eyes to get Bush out also. So if anything it's both.

-AC

As I've said before. While I agree with Mr Moore on many toics, I can't stand him.

Michael moors a dumbass like most of the liberals in holywood

Michael Moore is good at making people look like idiots, including himself.

http://shootingmichaelmoore.com/

Either way, at least he's an idiot out there doing something.

The amount of idiots sitting on their asses doing nothing while dissing him is alot more than the ones believing everything he says.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Either way, at least he's an idiot out there doing something.

The amount of idiots sitting on their asses doing nothing while dissing him is alot more than the ones believing everything he says.

-AC

Originally posted by Napalm
Michael moors a dumbass like most of the liberals in holywood

Quaffed the intelligently named 'Napalm'...how sensitive! As for liberals in holywood...I'm sure you know many!

Alpha...you are getting lost in the semantics! I don't doubt that he was trying to 'open eyes', but his ultimate agenda was simply to get Bush out.

That was the agenda of most of the world.