Does the tree fall when nobody observes?

IF nothing was there in the woods to acknowledge the tree then how did it fall?

Someone from Britain walked by it.....and it died of boredom.

yes deb

Ok if I imagine a tree falling, does it exist ? No one observed it.

Now think of a "real" tree falling. Does it exist ? No one observed it too.

How does this two trees are different from each other ? Both were not observed, they are equivalent there is nothing that makes one tree more real than the other one.

I used the word real when talking about the second tree, but there is nothing that makes this tree more real than the first tree. The only thing that makes us call a unobserved tree "real" is that we defined it that way. We can´t call something real if its not possible to prove it to be real.

Resuming, I think that if it is impossible to prove that a tree fell indeed, then it is not real. I mean, only if it is impossible to prove that(not if you just not proved it yet, or if it is simply provable), or if it is not possible to aquire data about the event of the tree falling(imaginary events cannot give us data).

Here go's that wonderful "common sense" thing to attempt to thwart another stupid comment..

Go into an empty room, don't let anybody know you're there.
Do you stop exsisting?

Nobody is there to observe you, they have no idea that you're there.
And yet you still exsist.

Now before you say something even stupider like "I'm my own observer" then that applies to everything anyway and you've wasted your time with this topic.

Give it up. Reality is there, deal with it.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Ok if I imagine a tree falling, does it exist ? No one observed it.

Now think of a "real" tree falling. Does it exist ? No one observed it too.

How does this two trees are different from each other ? Both were not observed, they are equivalent there is nothing that makes one tree more real than the other one.

I used the word real when talking about the second tree, but there is nothing that makes this tree more real than the first tree. The only thing that makes us call a unobserved tree "real" is that we defined it that way. We can´t call something real if its not possible to prove it to be real.

Resuming, I think that if it is impossible to prove that a tree fell indeed, then it is not real. I mean, only if it is impossible to prove that(not if you just not proved it yet, or if it is simply provable), or if it is not possible to aquire data about the event of the tree falling(imaginary events cannot give us data).

Are you trying to blow my mind????

Maybe in another reality the imagined tree fell also.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Ok if I imagine a tree falling, does it exist ? No one observed it.

Now think of a "real" tree falling. Does it exist ? No one observed it too.

How does this two trees are different from each other ? Both were not observed, they are equivalent there is nothing that makes one tree more real than the other one.

I used the word real when talking about the second tree, but there is nothing that makes this tree more real than the first tree. The only thing that makes us call a unobserved tree "real" is that we defined it that way. We can´t call something real if its not possible to prove it to be real.

Resuming, I think that if it is impossible to prove that a tree fell indeed, then it is not real. I mean, only if it is impossible to prove that(not if you just not proved it yet, or if it is simply provable), or if it is not possible to aquire data about the event of the tree falling(imaginary events cannot give us data).

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What makes the second tree exist is the fact that the second tree exists. It is physical reality. If there are no people alive to see it the matter and energy is still there. Unless you're trying to imply that humans create all the matter and energy of the physical world with their minds and that if we all die the universe ceases to exist.

Whoooooo..that's deep....but what if once it's created in a different dimension...the universe would still be there...and what if the universe after being in solid form cannot be unchanged unless thoughts made it so.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
What makes the second tree exist is the fact that the second tree exists. It is physical reality. If there are no people alive to see it the matter and energy is still there. Unless you're trying to imply that humans create all the matter and energy of the physical world with their minds and that if we all die the universe ceases to exist.

I´m not meant it that way, that matter and energy would not exist if you are not there to see it, but even this is not so simple quantum mechanics have some interesting things about this.

Anyway, you said that what makes the second tree exists is the "fact" that it exists. There is no fact. To have it as a fact, one must observe it(not necessarily directly with our own eyes), and if it is not possible to acquire data about that event, it will never be a fact. We just told a history of a tree falling in the woods, there is nothing that makes it real. But if it really fell in the woods, it would be provable as a fact.

Proof, fact, reality - these things are all mental.

Originally posted by Wonderer
Proof, fact, reality - these things are all mental.

Exactly. People forget that they first need to believe in the sentence "Facts grant us knowledge about what is real" to use it.

"We have faith in the facts."

Wow, you are one of the few people here who seems to think in the same philosophical attitude than myself. We need more of the two of us here.

Atlantis is very cool....He has written the book "The Holy Chronicles of Atlantis".

I knew I was great.

Here is something from the "Holy Chronicles of Atlantis."

If a man speaks in the Forest and there is no woman there to hear him....Is he still wrong?

Don´t blame me for that. 😄

Originally posted by debbiejo
Here is something from the "Holy Chronicles of Atlantis."

If a man speaks in the Forest and there is no woman there to hear him....Is he still wrong?

Originally posted by wangatrocious
how about: if there's no woman around does the man still pretend he's wrong?

😂 OH that's a good one.....Maybe it's a Proverb......But isn't that the road to Nowhere?

Originally posted by debbiejo
😂 OH that's a good one.....Maybe it's a Proverb......But isn't that the road to Nowhere?

Like this...

double post -_-