I'm almost positive it has been said more then once that Apoc perfected the bonding process to the point that there is no adamantium poisoning.
It has been said more the once but Wolverine wasn't in top game when Elektra got the drop on him. The fighting took place a short while after the issue before it when he was basicly being kept alive by a machine... and she got the drop on him.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
"Ninja's treachery defeats samurai's courage"- Some wise Japanese guy.
Ninjas can attack from behind - no honor. This doesn't mean ninjas are superior in fighting against a samurai. Anyway, Wolverine has some ground with ninjitsu too.
Remember without healing, his tactics change. He isn't just going to jump into the fray and take a hit if he realizes more strongly of his mortality. This version of Wolverine could very well be more formidable than the normal Wolverine (exempting beserker version).
IMO Wolvie would definitely win. It would be a good fight, but come on, he would have to win this. He has MUCH more experience, which does help. Like radioboy said, without Wolverine's berserker rage, he would be more tactical and figure out a way to dispose of Elektra after a short while. Elektra is pretty tough, but Wolverine is the master when it comes to that, right? I mean he is "the best at what he does"
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Originally posted by jinzinI agree with the reasoning behind this also though. Wolverine definitely adjusted his fighting style somewhat during the pre-Death of Wolverine arc. But I am unaware of enough feats of non-HF Wolverine (or Wolverine knowing he cannot rely on HF) to override Elektra's on-panel performances against HF Wolverine.
Yeah elektra beat the crap out of him in his own comic a few months ago (wolverine was still healing from well being dead? so he wasn't at the top of his game,,,,,and elektra got the drop on him while he was fighting some other guys but still she beat him something ugly)
and elektra beat up on wolverine back when he was in his feral state with the bone claws. So without a healing factor its quite possible elektra would just rounce wolverine. But, if wolverine used all his combative, and strategic skills cause he knew he didn't have a healing factor and couldn't afford not to: then I see the fight ending either way.
Because let's face it, Elektra gets to adjust her fighting style too. She doesn't have to work around his HF any more. She's such a talented assassin that a simple concussion, or blood clot or throat slash is enough to win. These stipulations favor Elektra far more.
Yeah the problem with Logan is that whilst he is skilled, 90% of his showings involve him taking damage and healing past it.
90% of Elektra's showings involve her avoiding damage (I plucked those numbers out of the air, but you get my point).
So in a combat skills-only thread, she has far more showings of avoiding damage and ending fights quickly as opposed to him.