Sleep Paralysis

Started by Jackie Malfoy3 pages

I never had that promblem before thank goodies it sounds awful.I just fall right to sleep until the next day!JM

I've had it for the past 10 years, very severe for 5 of them. I posted about it somewhere else a while ago so I'll just cut and paste (this is going to be very long - I'm sorry - only read if you're really interested then):

WHAT IS SLEEP PARALYSIS?

It is a sleeping 'condition' that usually occurs during states of half consciousness, meaning when the subject is half awake either literally just before falling into full on sleep or just before waking up. (However, it's been known to occur during sleep in very severe cases or to certain people and then normal dreams can follow.) Even though there has been much research there is no concrete explanation for it and no real cure, sometimes it is down to the individual and their own will power to fight it. In contrast to popular belief it is not a symptom of Narcolepsy. Sleep Paralysis is literally what it is called - a state in which the person can not move, talk, in some cases barely see visually (as the eyelids are half closed and one has to seriously struggle to attempt to open them but it wont work) and also rarely it is hard to breathe. One other rare aspect that can happen is a 'buzzing' in your head where it feels like your whole head is vibrating painfully and that can spread throughout the limbs but again I stress, this is only in advanced and severe cases. It is usually found in mild cases that all subjects were usually sleeping on their back but in more advanced situations the subject can be sleeping in any position. Sleep Paralysis is the condition where one is literally physically 'trapped' in sleep.

HOW FREQUENT IS IT AND HOW LONG DOES IT LAST?

According to most research SP starts in the teenage years, usually after 10 years of age and practically never after 30; it tends to decline after the early twenties but many people still experience it mildly now and then every few years. However, in cases where the subject is more prone to these periods, it can be much more frequent. Sometimes, everyday/night and more then once whilst asleep. They can last anywhere from seemingly a few seconds to a half an hour. Sometimes one can 'feel' them coming on during sleep and quickly wake oneself up to escape them. However, it is not so easily evaded, sufferers of SP will know that one feels literally 'pulled' back into sleep so if you manage to wake up and feel as if you are about to fall back into deep sleep - DON'T! I'm serious, it's very, very hard to stay awake when being pulled back into sleep, it's physically hard because you are so exhausted already so I would suggest immediately jumping out of bed if you can manage and listening to loud music or washing your face, sometimes a drink helps too. The majority of the population will never even realise they have experienced it mildly but for the few who have it bad, it can and does have major effects on their lives and lifestyles.

WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS DURING SP?

Now this is the million-dollar question, the really horrid part... scared yet?

Ok, there a number of things that can happen during SP alongside the actual paralysis, buzzing, partial blindness and lack of breath that is. What one has to remember that SP is very much a physical and psychological condition, both affecting each other equally like a cycle. SP is the condition in which many people experience 'hallucinations' but get this people, these aren't your regular hallucinations that people self induce with drugs, no way, no how *rolls eyes*. This is serious; it's practically like reality just in the sleep state. These 'visions' are very much 'real' to the person and can become more real in advanced cases so to speak, I shall explain. In many cases people can experience 'waking up' in the dream and everything is as normal as it would be if you had actually woken up, you may see your partner next to you, get up to go to the bathroom or even talk to people but NOTE these vital signs: there is no electricity, try to flick a switch - it wont work - I assure you that is THE BEST WAY to know you are having an SP episode because sometimes you can go on for ages without even realising. But as soon as you do, or even before as you are 'walking' around in you 'real life vision' your eyes should be half closed so you are peering through them desperately trying to open them and screaming for help to the people in your vision but they can't help you, no one can except you - if you feel physically strong enough to force yourself awake. That btw is no easy feat, not in the slightest, it's hellish and many an occasion its sometimes just easier to lay still in your vision and let it pass no matter how long it takes - this is probably the time where you start praying

HOWEVER, the type of SP I have just described happens in advanced cases where it is linked to Lucid Dreaming hence you are able to 'move' and 'talk' in the state but not really, only in your head. I shall describe the more common form now.

Regular SP - you can't move, talk or scream in your vision/sleep period. Try as you might you won’t be able to and damnit, it will hurt trying. This form of SP is most commonly known as the 'Old Hag Syndrome' where many people see an old woman sitting on the edge of their bed on their feet or sometimes as an unbearable weight on their chest making it hard to breathe. She may be an old hag and you may think scrawny but honey, nuh-uh, this old gal weighs a ton, you can try to squirm, you can try to push and scream but she ain't goin' nowhere. SP is also the condition where many people experience 'alien abductions and experimentations', no, it's not funny for those you who are chuckling - it's terrifying and traumatic. How would you like to be experimented on in a 'vision' but actually FEEL it? See, this is different to the imagination, this FEELS REAL just without the physical scars. In other scenarios many people feel the malevolent presence of menacing spirits/ghosts or what have you in many a case they are just watching, staring and stalking but their presence can be very frightening as they literally appear to be in the room with you. Sometimes, these presences are not so statuesque though... oh yes, they can move and move they do. In many, many cases people have FELT that they were trying to kill them - many a time they have been straddled by these opponents and strangled etc. In other visions, women and men have reported FEELING raped by demons, this is deadly serious because you do FEEL this happening to you, it may be in your mind and not physical but it FEELS physical and it does literally happen to you in your mind and as we feel pain, fear, dread, panic and every other conceivable emotion in the mind it is really like you are being murdered, raped, experimented and watched. Silent now? I know the feeling. The very IMPORTANT part of that is, because you FEEL it happening to you, quite frankly you can and many do develop the psychological complexes that would develop naturally after such an event if it happened in waking reality. Now imagine, this might not even be a single random occurrence, what if it happened every night, over and over again? Can you say Living Hell?

EFFECTS - SIDE EFFECTS - LIFESTYLE ISSUES

1) Obviously, it can leave one very tired, especially if it was a particularly strenuous one that involved much physical tension or if it was long in duration and basically sucked the energy out of you. In most cases taking it easy after you wake up should help and you should fine. In others, this can basically be like chronic sleep deprivation leaving you tired all the time and physically drained. However, the odd thing is, if one hasn't had one in a while and suddenly has one out of the blue it can have the opposite effect whereby one feels refreshed, alive, invigorated and energised for the day. Very odd, I know but true nonetheless but like I said, this is just initial - it doesn't last. One is more likely to feel tired and perhaps grouchy afterwards.
2) Being tired all the time can have knock-on effects on your day-to-day life as I probably don't need to explain as well as mood swings.
3) Headaches, these can happens after a period where one felt difficulty breathing or where the 'buzzing' occurred.
4) The psychological effects. I don't know if I even need to go into these because they are so self-explanatory but I'll be brief. One 'dream' of being killed, raped, experimented on, watched, unable to breathe etc can affect you for a while - one 'real vision' can affect you for a LONG while and with frequency and severity, such things just don't go away. Counselling, medication etc can sometimes be necessary - and just as if it did happen in waking reality, there will be much healing to be done, psychological scars as we all know are the worst and much support, patience and care would be very much appreciated by the subject I'm sure. It's a sad, sad thing to happen in waking reality, or in these 'real FELT visions' - the fear, the absolute terror is very, very real. The emotions are very real just as they would be in any situation, we feel in our minds and this is where the experience is taking place, the assault may not be taking place outside on the street but the emotions are running rampant just as they would if it were. After being 'raped' in a vision one would desire a shower straight away just as in real life. I can't stress the gravity of the situation enough.
5) Appetite - this can either be increased or decreased depending on how you respond to depression, tiredness or general angst.
6) In one documentary I saw on Channel Four years ago, one man became violent in his sleep state, so violent that his wife would grab the baby and run to lock them in themselves in the bathroom at night whenever he had an episode. It became frequent and so he would have to lock himself in the living room before sleep and on the cameras set up beforehand to record him for research, the footage showed him getting up and smashing things, throwing things - general destruction, and he would shout at the same time. All the while he would be oblivious to what he was doing because he was asleep, but sometimes he would remember it the next day. Can you imagine what it felt like for him - he, the husband and father putting his own wife and child at risk whilst he was asleep, and they were at risk from HIM, not some intruder but HIM and he didn't even know it or couldn't stop himself. He's meant to protect them not attack them or put them in danger, talk about serious stress.
6) Most recently I heard that some electronic radiation can cause it, even minimal levels like sleeping right next to an electrical device such as a clock as the vibrations/frequencies are meant to trigger a certain gland in the brain to produce certain chemicals, which in turn induce the state. I'm not quite sure about this particular theory as you can tell, I'm sure it's perfectly plausible but I don't know much about it and will have to research it some more.

SUPER BRIEF HISTORY

SP has been a recorded condition since medieval times usually in the form of women being approached sexually in their dreams and being unable to move whilst their visitors 'pleasured' them or 'raped' them depending on how the assault/seduction was received by the woman. Those alongside the Hag were the most common recordings. However, such a state has been known since way back to the Ancient Egyptians and many other cultures that put it down to indigestion and other such physical aspects affecting people whilst they slept. Up to modern day, many people, doctors, psychologists and psychiatrists alike have dismissed this condition as myth/fantasy and have placed it in the scientific 'dustbin' so to speak but hey, they should try telling that to the people who actually experience it, try telling them that their trauma is all unfounded. However, there has been and is much research being carried out on this condition but as yet there is no solid 'cure' other then long term medication and counselling as well as experimental techniques. The condition, what causes it, it's long term effects etc - everything basically - is still very much a mystery to the academic world no matter how informed or detailed the papers/thesis might be, no matter the jargon used and the assumptions based (e.g. this link http://www.stanford.edu/~dement/paralysis.html - they say it's not harmful and then go on to talk about the anxiety and terror felt HA!) - there are no definite answers yet.

Alright, that is as much as I should really say now since I think I have already written a mini novelette and probably put most of you to sleep - or wait, no, that's not advisable in this case! Sorry, bad pun *looks ashamed* just trying to add some life 🙂. But seriously, take into account that in most of my description in this op applies from mild to extreme cases. In general, most people are never aware that they may have had an SP episode because it was so mild and momentary, it is only the unfortunate few who experience 'uphill' struggles or should I say what feels to be like actual physical battle to wake up and even then they may succeed in ending the vision but only to go into another dream and not waking reality and then perhaps more SP to follow.

Here are two informative links for anyone who may be interested in further reading:

http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.html
http://www.arts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P2.html

If anyone has any questions about SP don’t hesitate to ask because it is likely that I left out lots of information in my haste, I will gladly answer them to the best of my knowledge or try to refer you to source that might have the info. I’ll just state that I am NOT a professional researcher or advisor in any way whatsoever; let’s just say that I know way too much about this subject, and no – that’s not a good thing. If you think that you suffer from SP (and not just experience it out of hypochondria after reading this op – of which if you do, I apologise in advance) and believe it to be of the more serious kind in comparison to the mild rare occasions then I would suggest consulting your doctor who can then advise you properly. If you do find that you suffer from SP, already know that you do, have in the past, or do in the future; you have my deepest and sincerest sympathies.

Below is a poem that I composed a few months ago describing the basic feeling of non-mild SP in comparison to another occurrence, this time in nature as a metaphor to emphasise the feeling and emotions more clearly. I hope you enjoy it, as morbid as that may sound.

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The maelstrom of Sleep Paralysis

A whirlpool…
A torrent of emotion
A storm of pain, passion and delusion
Thunder and lightening, it’s a hell of fury and confusion
Forever a battlefield of ceaseless confrontation
… Herein lies the maelstrom

I lay there, still and breathless
Seemingly at peace and unnaturally motionless
My head is spinning and delirious
I try to cry but choke instead
I try to scream but my voice is dead

Faster and faster, circling, churning and coughing
Colliding and crashing
Waves of darkness and danger,
Slipping, sliding and smashing
The drowning souls falling in a whirl of hazy devastation
Grasping and pleading, the innocents are left thrashing
Choking on despair and desolation, the water gives them such a lashing
Herein lies the maelstrom

I lie here cold and mentally bleeding
Weary and aware that my will is fleeting
Body bruised and hyperventilating
I try to move but am frozen solid
I try to see but my eyes are blinded, my vision squalid

A vicious beast, foaming at the mouth
Gurgling and spitting as it pulls its victims down south
With its overpowering strength and endless desire
It calls your name in a deathly growl for which only demons can aspire
The mist rising and swirling, dancing to an invisible choir

I try to break free in one last savage attempt
Wishing, hoping and praying for the gods to be benevolent
Alas, with a silent wail for what is futile I begin to lament
Tired beyond words and doomed to failure, I accept fate and despise my destiny
I’m at the end of my rope and can no longer cope, no longer believing in bravery against adversity

The buzzing spin of the cycle begins to slow
The awesome density of the colossal surge gradually loses its flow
All that once existed, all that once lived, is now at the bottom, forgotten, for no one to ever know
All the secrets, treasures and fears of those caught within
Are all apart of the maelstrom, in its belly they now live in

I can feel my head clearing; the pain is subsiding
My sleepless sleep is almost over and the chronic fatigue beginning
I want to regain my senses, I want them back now, to escape this wilderness so cruel and unforgiving
All my efforts must not have been in vain, so I can’t rush and be pulled back into that hell
Patience is a virtue so I must give up, give in, and wait to come to, to be released from my cell

The force of violence retreats as the water calms
As quickly as it came the ferocious monster is gone
But forever imprinted in my mind and embedded in my soul
The scars on my skin and the fear in my heart remain ever so strong
The maelstrom is temporarily dormant, it’s held in quiet suspense
I’m allowed to wake, to move, to feel, but I’m offered no rest as I anxiously wait for the next episode to commence…
… I have no time to recover, but in these few moments, I can only yearn for the cure that they are yet to discover

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The album "El Cielo" by Dredg has alot to do with sleep paralysis.

Such an interesting subject.

-AC

sleep paralysis 😕?
Well, when i lay down in bed, right before falling asleep, i feel paralyzed 😬
Does it count?

the only thing I've dealt with was not being able to talk from being so tired.. like when some SOB wakes you up and asks you a question.. you're answering it in your mind but you just cant conjure the energy to utter it.. 😖igh:

I noticed this post whil browsing the forum.
This is my explanation for sleep paralysis. You may believe it or not.
I do have things you can test out for yourself to see if I'm right.

If you are experiencing paralysis check your bed. Do you have metal springs in your bed? Did you drink any Soda or water with a lot of fluoine in it 6 hours before bedtime? Or anything that has fluorine in it for that matter. Is the moon full or dark, is it a lunar perigee or apogee? My theory is that the paralysis is triggered by a magnetic effect between your bones and the metal springs. This is not directly caused by your body, an external force triggers this effect. This is why your chest feels like something is sitting on it, your ribs are being pulled down to the bed. Try sleeping on an air mattress or a soft mattress with no springs. If you don't have or want to buy those try sleeping on the floor a couple of times.
So far this has worked for me.

If you are experiencing difficulty with your head: thinking, seeing properly, or staying awake here is some advice. Don't drink any soda, iced tea, unfiltered water, or store bought water. You can also boil your water before drinking it. All of these drinks are high in fluorine which makes the mind weak.

If the paralysis happens again, you can try these two things, they might sound crazy, but what do you have to lose?
1. Do not make any movements when you awake and realize you cannot move. It is very difficult to do, but try to stay awake and make the thoughts going through your head stop. Pretend you are sleeping but do not allow yourself to sleep. Observe whatever you can observe with your senses and try not to be afraid.
From my experiences, my senses understood what was happening to me. This "is" the devil and this "is" little grey aliens. They are not abducting you, they are examining you and giving you implants. They see you as a threat because you have the potential in your lifetime to discover truths about many things and make a positive difference which damages their plans.
2. If you want to escape the paralysis, try this- turn your hands so your palms are facing up, then decide within yourself that you are going to fight and then clench your fists, squeeze like you are trying to kill something. What happens next I cannot explain, but it feels wonderful, if you want to try, scream at the top of your lungs. This feeling is exilirating. After that decide whether or not you want an out of body experience or not because your spirit will jump out of your body if you allow it to rise up. If you do decide to let yourself go up, threaten the things you see in your room. Do not be afraid of them, they are more afraid of you than you are of them. Don't listen to the lies they tell you about how they are angels or that they come from another planet in need of human DNA to fix their race. Threaten them until they leave. After all of that, think about going back into your body until it happens.

This is what I believe, these might not work for you, but they worked for me.

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you're scaring me 🙁

ive had it for awile now that and sleep terrors i know sometimes what im dreaming of will be in the room with me during my episodes i have also woke up in difrent rooms and shit like that to

Originally posted by Arena Host
What happens next I cannot explain, but it feels wonderful, if you want to try, scream at the top of your lungs. This feeling is exilirating. After that decide whether or not you want an out of body experience or not because your spirit will jump out of your body if you allow it to rise up. If you do decide to let yourself go up, threaten the things you see in your room. Do not be afraid of them, they are more afraid of you than you are of them. Don't listen to the lies they tell you about how they are angels or that they come from another planet in need of human DNA to fix their race. Threaten them until they leave. After all of that, think about going back into your body until it happens.

😕 hmm... Im pretty open minded...but uhh... isnt that a bit over the top... ? 😑

It sounds like a very horrible experence to go through

It sounds like whoever gets it is a Spaz

You sound like more of a spaz for saying that.

-AC

Why thankyou.

Originally posted by Arena Host
I noticed this post whil browsing the forum.
This is my explanation for sleep paralysis. You may believe it or not.
I do have things you can test out for yourself to see if I'm right.

If you are experiencing paralysis check your bed. Do you have metal springs in your bed? Did you drink any Soda or water with a lot of fluoine in it 6 hours before bedtime? Or anything that has fluorine in it for that matter. Is the moon full or dark, is it a lunar perigee or apogee? My theory is that the paralysis is triggered by a magnetic effect between your bones and the metal springs. This is not directly caused by your body, an external force triggers this effect. This is why your chest feels like something is sitting on it, your ribs are being pulled down to the bed. Try sleeping on an air mattress or a soft mattress with no springs. If you don't have or want to buy those try sleeping on the floor a couple of times.
So far this has worked for me.

If you are experiencing difficulty with your head: thinking, seeing properly, or staying awake here is some advice. Don't drink any soda, iced tea, unfiltered water, or store bought water. You can also boil your water before drinking it. All of these drinks are high in fluorine which makes the mind weak.

If the paralysis happens again, you can try these two things, they might sound crazy, but what do you have to lose?
1. Do not make any movements when you awake and realize you cannot move. It is very difficult to do, but try to stay awake and make the thoughts going through your head stop. Pretend you are sleeping but do not allow yourself to sleep. Observe whatever you can observe with your senses and try not to be afraid.
From my experiences, my senses understood what was happening to me. This "is" the devil and this "is" little grey aliens. They are not abducting you, they are examining you and giving you implants. They see you as a threat because you have the potential in your lifetime to discover truths about many things and make a positive difference which damages their plans.
2. If you want to escape the paralysis, try this- turn your hands so your palms are facing up, then decide within yourself that you are going to fight and then clench your fists, squeeze like you are trying to kill something. What happens next I cannot explain, but it feels wonderful, if you want to try, scream at the top of your lungs. This feeling is exilirating. After that decide whether or not you want an out of body experience or not because your spirit will jump out of your body if you allow it to rise up. If you do decide to let yourself go up, threaten the things you see in your room. Do not be afraid of them, they are more afraid of you than you are of them. Don't listen to the lies they tell you about how they are angels or that they come from another planet in need of human DNA to fix their race. Threaten them until they leave. After all of that, think about going back into your body until it happens.

This is what I believe, these might not work for you, but they worked for me.

Sounds like what you are experiencing is directly physically based whereas the actual causes of SP are supposedly still unknown but is majorly psychological. For example, as for dietry details, I am and have always been a very healthy person moreso then much of the population in general hence carbonated and non filtered or boiled water never really came into it. Also, if it was SP you were experiencing you should probably know that the common factor of it is that you can not move, you can not make sounds and on many an occassion you can not see. The only exceptions are that you can see what's going on around you and real events occurring but your eyes remain firmly shut to people who are awake and happen to see you or your eyes are half open and you cannot open them properly. When it is an occassion where the eyes are a focus it generally does mean your body hasn't caught with your mind waking up but still that's not always the explanation. Other symtpoms other then the main weight, fear, presences and paralysis ones are feel 'out of your body' and seeing yourself or feeling pulled out it.

SP is predominantly psycological and because of that it varies for people, some people find that physical (like you've suggested) precautions can help such as eating or drinking before bed to feel more 'heavy or stable' during most of their sleep, some like to have a pet or partner to sleep with for comfort etc. On the other hand, some feel that having a strong, positive attitude especially before you go to bed helps and can reinforce that with determination or exercises like yoga and some feel that just trying not to think about it at all works. BUT, big but, the majority of sufferers find that no one or combination of precautions work all the time, they may work once or a few times or periodically but not all the time. SP is almost like an intelligent syndrome which finds ways around what you do to prevent it in order to affect you.

But anyway - keep at it and I hope you stay SP free if it is SP you've had 🙂

im not sure..i have insomina though...sucks..

This is weird.. I don't know if I experienced sleep paralysis but what I experienced was similar to what you all are explaining. I was asleep.. and I somehow figured out that I was asleep, and tried to open my eyes and wake up. But my eye wouldn't open and I couldn't move my arms.. it wasn't a terrifying thing like what you explained just a very tiring thing... it felt like I was struggling to open my eyes and move but couldn't do it. But then I did get scared at the fact that I couldn't open my eyes and see what was going on. Then for some reason I thought my dad's cat was on the bed and it started biting the shit out of my hand.. but I couldn't move my arm away from it or grab it with my other arm. And I couldn't see it.. I just assumed it was there and I could hear it fighting with my arm even though I couldn't really feel it. So I finally woke up and there was no cat and I just figured it was because I was asleep and trying to move. I don't know if that was sleep paralysis, it could've just been that I was conscious during a dream but I don't think so.

That was a form of Sleep Paralysis Afro.

"I think I'm awake.
Rolling on my blanket.
I am sinking into the bed.
Light around me.
Beautful washes of pulsating color.
Buzzing white noise.
It sounds like one hundred bees.

I too once thought the radio played.
Let's act like children while we sleep paralyzed.
I too once thought the radio played.
Let's act like children while we sleep paralyzed.

Pulsing.
You control it.
Body's asleep and your mind is awake.

I too once thought the radio played.
Let's act like children while we sleep paralyzed.
I too once thought the radio played.
Let's act like children while we sleep paralyzed.

I too once thought the radio played.
Let's act like children while we sleep paralyzed.
I too once thought the radio played.
Let's act like children while we sleep paralyzed."

"Scissor Lock"-Dredg.

-AC

Oh yeah and I don't drink milk either, that is also full of fluorine. I'm not kidding, try the things I said out. This is literally what I have experienced, to me it is not a hallucination or something mentally going on, it feels as real as real.