Tortured Kitten

Originally posted by Bardock42
People that lack Chromosomes are dead. Except for X0 women but anyway.

Ok anyway. Now please don't beat on the poor fascist german kid too much.

I will try to clarify.

No I think laws are important for HUMANS to live together. Now the question is should we also take the rights of animals into consideration? I know we do, I don'T mind either, this is a question though that I don't know how I would do it. Is that acceptable? So please don't get me wrong I like animals and I think that kittens should have a right to live and not being tortured. Only is it ok that we punish someone for doing something bad to a kitte, well then where do we stop, I know I tortured ants as a kid, well what should I get 3 years? Really This is not that easy as you make it. The Kitten is Cute therefore kill the guy who tortured it? Wel I don't know. I think what Fire said is iok though, mental treatment could maybe work, even though I am not sure if that is according to human rights either

I agree with you that there is a line...we kill cows and pigs for food, but there are societal norms that people in general seem to accept. Kittens are a domesticated animal, for the use of being pets. While killing an animal should not constitute killing the person, the torture of an animal, for the purpose of sick pleasure, SHOULD be dealt with. First a kitten, then a dog, then what? A baby? There is something VERY wrong with someone who does this sort of thing...

And Im not beating on you, I just answered your roiginal question.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well that is not a conform behaviour I agree. You coul probably condition those people then since you don't want them to be the way.

Wait that is worse than torturing, you pretty much kill his charqacter, thats cool.

It is not up to what I want them to be

It is up to what society wants them to be. It is generally accepted (probably by 95% of the population) tha t the torturing of animals or humans should not be allowed.

I don't see how this inflict with someone his character.

but you have to understand the mentallity behind such torture.
most kids at one point have harmed an animal simply because they didnt know
any better. one kid pulls a dogs ear and hurts it, another kid burns an ant with a magnifying glass...just stupid kids doing stupid things.

its not the same mentallity as a young adult who feels a deep hatred for all that is pure an innocent. a hatred that would lead to such cruelty. and thats what it is dude, violent hatred. were you feeling such hatred when killing those
ants? i doubt it.

even though I am not sure if that is according to human rights either

why would it be against the human rights BarDock

That's so f*ing sick. If I saw ANYONE do that they would be in the hospital.

Human superiority can ba a curse...

Bardock... I don't hate you, why would I hate you? I was simply disgusted at your apparent lack of concern for those youths' behaviour.... I've read your recent posts and I do see where you're coming from. But, as the others pointed out, there is a difference between killing for food and killing/torturing for fun and personal gratification 😬 A line that, although fine, shouldn't be crossed. We as a society take full advantage of our being 'top of the food chain', but when we kill animals to eat I'm certain it doesn't include the torture of them first. We don't generally play with our food 😄 I do understand your point about whether you yourself should get a sentence for torturing ants, but I was the same as a child, and that's the point, we were children, cruel in our innocence and blissfully ignorant to our actions. The people who tortured that kitten for pleasure and a cheap thrill are not children, they understood full well what they were doing and that, in my opinion, is why they deserve everything they f.ucking get. And more.

Originally posted by Fire
even though I am not sure if that is according to human rights either

why would it be against the human rights BarDock

well becqause it changes a human, if I would go to some Psychiatrist and a week later I am a totally different person its well weird, I am not sure though.

Oh yeah I know you weren'T beating me CM I just tried to Capatate some benevolence.

I mean I agree there is something really wrong with those people but still its not that big of a difference between killing cows and killing cats.

I actually think now you are right they should be punished, since they could be a threat to humans if the future.

Originally posted by Bardock42
well becqause it changes a human, if I would go to some Psychiatrist and a week later I am a totally different person its well weird, I am not sure though.

Oh yeah I know you weren'T beating me CM I just tried to Capatate some benevolence.

I mean I agree there is something really wrong with those people but still its not that big of a difference between killing cows and killing cats.

I actually think now you are right they should be punished, since they could be a threat to humans if the future.

There is a difference between killing cows and killing cats, as Scott said, cats are domesticated creatures bred specifically for rat catching and being pets... cows are bred for milk and beef.

And the people weren't simply killing that kitten, they were torturing it for FUN, for their own sick pleasure. That's the difference.

Well I see what you mean Syren and as someone who likes animals I'D agree but thats just my idea, is it moralically right to punish them for doing something to cats, that would mean we are the protector of animals then. Well we could say we were but it should be defined you know.

well I read the UDHR again just now and there's nothing in there against forced psychiatric help as a punishment to a crime. It's not like they brainwash you

The difference between this incident and cows being killed for food is that normally, in Belgium the opposite has been true and trialled, the cows are not subjected to more pain then necessary.

I read the article, and was simply horrified (and not just because I love cats). How could people do something like that? It's not even like the kids were young and didn't know better...they were teenagers. And by the time you get to 15-16-17 years old you KNOW that picking on someone/something defenseless is wrong. It's disgusting that these kids were torturing a kitten just for fun.

I don'rt see the difference beetween killing a cow or a cat but you are right torturing is a whole different thing, since it it totally unnecessary

There is no difference between killing a cow or a cat, as long as you are planning to eat that cat later on.

That's what I meant when I said we don't play with our food tongue

Bardock, I am not saying that we should appoint ourselves protectors of all that walks the earth, just that there should be no pleasurable gain in torturing animals. Do you really think there should? And as for the punishment we bestow on those who do so, well, yes, I think we should be able to. If we were to simply allow it, who's to say how it would spiral? Psychological problems are very difficult to gauge.... I certainly wouldn't be willing to risk those kitten torturers doing the same with a child 😬

im sure that if they tortured a cow, they would be up on even MORE charges, as the cows are not only protected animals, but valuable property...so there

😂 I was just thinking that.... no animals should be tortured, but they can be killed for food. I'm off for a cheeseburger 😄

yeah...im in the mood for some milk-fed veal 😂

No I don'T think there should be any pleasure in killing animals.
As for the reason with the child, I agree there probably is a bigger chance that they would do that to a child or something therefore they should be stopped.

And well then its just the torturing. In Germany we have up to 5 years of jail for torturing a human. How many percent is a animal worth? Should we give 3 years or two years or just or what?

Poor kitten that was just unncessary. 👇

As for humans over animals? Well, too many bad humans in this world. I stick to the animals. Animals are less violent than humans.

Of course that doesn't mean that I don't eat animals. Give me a Hamburger with bacon any day of the week.