Originally posted by Never
Replies such as these are so...*sigh*Why do you think the Human Torch would win?
ouch Never , i actually thought this was no contest but if you want a reason here goes.
It's nothing more than what's been said before. human torch can reach much futher into the depth of heat than it's is possible to reach coldness. the ratio as pointed out by a member is favored to the human torch. (infinite potential limit of heat/ kelvin) and although iceman would have a better chance of defending himself to the intensity of johnny's nova blast than say your average human he would probaly evaporate . now i dont imagine that you can simply reform from a gas as he would from water. and if he could it would take him much longer .
but you're right i do need to be clearer in my responsees from now on, sorry about that
but now that i think about it the gathering of power for a super nova absorbs heat from the vincinity and thus greatly giving ice the chilly home court advantage during the charge-up. that and the time advantage gives iceman the time to freeze johnny's blood (a worthy feat considering this is the human torch we're talking about). then again human torch could be doing this from a flying location. (although ice can beam himself up there it would take him longer than torch) but if we were near the outer rim of earth's greenhouse this would change the climate to below freezing levels. returning iceman the advantage. *mental note:they both can't survive without oxygen so the battle wouldn't excalate to space*.
but what i said in the previous post was true i do believe iceman needs his own comic if this isn't so already.
ok....got a question.
What significant heroes or villains has Bobby been able to sucessfully freeze the molecules of? or whatever people are claiming?
That being said. Have any of those people been a human fireball like Human Torch?
Also, i've got a comic where Johnny goes Nova...and it's not like he's freaking Goku or Vegeta powering up for 1/2 a DBZ episode. Johnny basically flies into the air...flips out...and roasts everything in site.
How is Torch supposed to magically get frozen in mid air while he's flying around? Is hitting a moving target getting THAT easy now adays?
Originally posted by Linkalicious
ok....got a question.What significant heroes or villains has Bobby been able to sucessfully freeze the molecules of? or whatever people are claiming?
That being said. Have any of those people been a human fireball like Human Torch?
Also, i've got a comic where Johnny goes Nova...and it's not like he's freaking Goku or Vegeta powering up for 1/2 a DBZ episode. Johnny basically flies into the air...flips out...and roasts everything in site.
How is Torch supposed to magically get frozen in mid air while he's flying around? Is hitting a moving target getting THAT easy now adays?
😆 Half a dbz episode man they did take forever on that show just to powerup didn't they. Then it took them forever to start fighting(but thats another thread)
Originally posted by vu_Quang
ouch Never , i actually thought this was no contest but if you want a reason here goes.human torch can reach much futher into the depth of heat than it's is possible to reach coldness. the ratio as pointed out by a member is favored to the human torch. (infinite potential limit of heat/ kelvin) and although iceman would have a better chance of defending himself to the intensity of johnny's nova blast than say your average human he would probaly evaporate.
Thanks - I personally enjoy reading another's opinion on why a character would win moreso than simply who would win. In the event their understanding of the character's abilities is not quite sound, it would most likely surface there.
There is one thing 🙂
Why do you think that Torch's potential for heat is infinite? Not true.
"The Torch can release all of his body's stored energy in one intense, omni-directional "nova-burst," which can reach about 1,000,000 F, and which is similar to the heat-pulse of a nuclear warhead detonation, with an are of total devastation of about 900 feet in diameter."
Well i didnt think so much of johnny's ability persay i did think in scientific terms .
in science there exists a hypothsis stating that heat can is infinite in terms of getting hotter. (of course you can never prove or disprove infinite speculation)
but science also has come to a firmer conclusion that cold has a limit, this they've measured. 0 degrees kelvin = -sumthin celsius.
of course you may know this or now you do. but you're absolutely right that johnny has personaly limitations on his power.
and for the record i think i'm gonna bump up iceman as my favorite comic character. but i still love the green man. it's tight between these two.
for a time the Torch's power was increased but then he couldnt turn back to normal...which ice-man currently suffers from....in this state he was constantly at Nova flame and could fly through planets and even survive in space...however he didnt like it and eventually Reed found a way to turn him back to normal
Originally posted by Placidity
You're probably right, but I always thought Torch's Super Nova would be quite formidable...
Not a bad move but the Nova blast, but Iceman will just keep on coming back and there is a scan somewhere where he can control the temperature right around his body.. so literally heat does not bother him anymore.
It was a scan with mystic, a truck just exploded and IM is standing in the flames and Mystic is shocked that he doesn't even feel it. Pretty sweet.
GO BOBBY!!!