Audition

Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
So, because I dislike a movie for valid reasons, you're going for the low blow?

Apart from the obvious fact that I am wrong in admiring the performances in audition - because you are more qualified to judge the acting as you are the only one amongst us who speaks Korean - the rest of your "review" doesn't tell us much about the move but speaks volumes about your bias when it comes to movies in general. You are almost wilfully narrow minded and if a film doesn't conform to what you expect you reject it wholesale. I don't have a problem with that - I don’t expect everyone to like everything. I like Oscar Wilde abut I'm not fond of Noel Coward. I like PG Wodehouse but I'm no fan of Tom Holt. Each to his own: However I don't presume to tell people because I dislike something it's worthless* - all appearances to the contrary I don’t have that high an opinion of myself. You don’t seem to be so encumbered.

Audition is a slightly slow moving drama, almost like Dennis Potter in places - it dips into surreal scenes once or twice with no warning, which if you have invested in the story is quite unsettling - and then tips over into visceral horror for it's final act which (again, if you are caught up in the story) is mind-blowing. It's not an afterthought, it's a conscious decision about the structure of the film - not revolutionary, but shows mike as a far more subtle director than most of the rest his work would suggest.

*Exception: the writing of Terry Pratchet

"So, because I dislike a movie for valid reasons, you're going for the low blow? A personal attack on my interests for disagreeing? I saw this coming a mile away, and frankly, I thought you were above that."

What personal attack? Because I brought up two shitty movies? Because I brought up the fact that half the time when you hate a movie you'll love it after a second viewing? These aren't personal attacks, or low blows(though I guess I could see how bringing up AvP or Chronnicles of Riddick could be seen as a low blow, so my apologies for bringing those two pieces of shit into this thread) , just observations about the lack of crediblity you sometimes have with a movie of this nature, that isn't for everyone. As I said, usually, you'll hate a movie that isn't straightforward, and then love it after a second viewing when you watch it without expectations. That was not a low blow nor personal attack. If anything can be seen as a personal attack it's the "light weights" comment, which is obviously a negative comment aimed at the people who DID like this movie. Don't act high and mighty (I know, a stretch for you 😉) and accuse someone of a personal attack when there was none, especially when it was a retort to what COULD easily be seen as an attack on the folks who do like the movie. Since when is calling someone a "lightweight" anything but a negative?

"There's nothing to "get" from this movie, and to suggest there is is insulting my intelligence. Furthurmore, a second viewing, which will never happen, won't change my opinion that it's a poorly made movie."

I have a feeling that you probably would have said the same thing in reference to 28 Days Later or TCM before you watched those for the second time. You thought both of those were poor films, and now you praise them. But, whether you like it or not is irrelevent to me. But insinuating people who do like it as "acting like lightweights" because WE like a movie you did not is something that needed to be retorted and rejected.

"That said, your assumptions and suggestions that all I watch is empty Sci Fi and action is not only wrong and extremely ignorant, but ironic, coming from a hardcore Horror movie fan. The movies in which are usually the epitome of mindless entertainment. I'm willing to bet that I have the absolute most eclectic taste in these forums, and have proven it time and time again. Just don't make assumptions."

You may be surprised to hear that out of all the movies I own, probably only 15% are in the horror genre. I do love a good horror film, but for every horror film I enjoy, there are about 30 I hate. The horror films I like are the good, solid ones. I'm pretty confident that my taste is just as diverse as yours, if not moreso, since I seem to enjoy the independent films that you see as "pretentious" (a vague, empty word that is often associated with any film trying to prove a subtle point).

Again, I don't care that you don't like this film, I had a feeling you wouldn't, but what is a problem is that coming from the "subjective" guy who thinks all opinions should be respected and what not, you shouldn't call people "lightweights" for liking a certain film, it contradicts your whole subjective philosophy, and then whine when someone gives a hostile rebuttle to being called a "lightweight". But, I do apologize for any low blows I may have thrown.

Originally posted by BackFire
But, I do apologize for any low blows I may have thrown.

Pussy.

Originally posted by Mr Zero
Pussy.

hah, well, C-dic is a cool guy. He really is one of the more intelegent members on these boards, and while I may disagree with him I don't want him to feel I'm attacking him, as I'm sure he doesn't want me to feel as though he's attacking me.

oh, and you're a pussy, pussy.

Originally posted by Mr Zero
Your "it was just a personal opinion and you can't disagree with my opinion" crap is getting tired.

Whoever said that? Not me, not once. Per usual, all I did was support an opinion. I am always up for debate, and not once did I say anyone else was wrong. I posed questions, not denied.

"I think CD has very narrow tastes and often fails to appreciate subtly in a movie" is a personal opinion. "CD has no ****ing clue when it comes to movies" is not. If your going to hold up the "personal opinion card" whenever anyone calls you on your posts then make sure you know the difference.

I do know the difference, and I still fail to see how where I failed to acknowledge it.

The following are not stated as opinions, these are blanket statements presented as fact; suggesting that any conflicting opinion is incorrect, a review gambit worthy of Stormy Day
[list]
[*]This movie was shit.
[*]wooden acting
[*]elementary school dialogue
[*]horribly apparent jumpcuts and poor editing
[*]There's nothing to "get" from this movie
[/list]

During the widowed husband and the little girl scorned conversation in the restaraunt, there were horribly apparent splicing errors, where the dialogue jumped, in addition to white blips between scenes.

Besides, everyone here should know by now that I only speak in opinion. Typing "IMO" gets redundant, and I don't feel as if I should have to use it.

Apart from the obvious fact that I am wrong in admiring the performances in audition - because you are more qualified to judge the acting as you are the only one amongst us who speaks Korean - the rest of your "review" doesn't tell us much about the move but speaks volumes about your bias when it comes to movies in general.

You're not wrong, and don't try to play some "victim of someone elses standards" routine. Try and reason, instead. In addition to never versing any certain qualifications, subtitles are usually a pretty direct translation of the original dialogue, which "looked" pretty run of the mill. Besides, it wasn't a "review", anyway.

You are almost wilfully narrow minded and if a film doesn't conform to what you expect you reject it wholesale.

That's an opinion, and no, I paid attention throughout the entire film, and nothing ever drew me in, as I was told I would be. Naturally, I was disappointed.

However I don't presume to tell people because I dislike something it's worthless* - all appearances to the contrary I don’t have that high an opinion of myself. You don’t seem to be so encumbered.

I never said the film was worthless, I pointed out what were apparent flaws, as well as my opinions and observations. If you feel obliged to clear your name, amidst the most subtle of allegations of conceit, then you're as misunderstood as I am.

Audition is a slightly slow moving drama, almost like Dennis Potter in places - it dips into surreal scenes once or twice with no warning, which if you have invested in the story is quite unsettling - and then tips over into visceral horror for it's final act which (again, if you are caught up in the story) is mind-blowing. It's not an afterthought, it's a conscious decision about the structure of the film - not revolutionary, but shows mike as a far more subtle director than most of the rest his work would suggest.

..and having seen 5 of his movies now, I appreciate his diversity. However, his work hasn't appealed to me, and all I am guilty of is sharing an opinion, and stating why. Not once did I implore anyone to not rent the movie. Do as you please, but there has to be someone out there that goes against the grain, and decides to voice a negative opinion. How is anyone supposed to weigh pros and cons when there's only one side being vocal?

Why not little old me? 🙂

Originally posted by BackFire:

What personal attack? Because I brought up two shitty movies?

Two movies which I have just so happened to have been an uber-champion for, respectively. I thought my apparent support was what would have provoked you to say that, that's all.

Because I brought up the fact that half the time when you hate a movie you'll love it after a second viewing?

Twice, "28 Days Later" and maybe "TCM"(1973). That's an exagerration that changes the ebb of any conversation.

These aren't personal attacks, or low blows(though I guess I could see how bringing up AvP or Chronnicles of Riddick could be seen as a low blow, so my apologies for bringing those two pieces of shit into this thread) , just observations about the lack of crediblity you sometimes have with a movie of this nature, that isn't for everyone.

The content of the movie isn't for everyone, granted, but that's totally irrelevant as to how someone like myself percieves it. "Monster" achieved everything "Audition" boasted A LOT more effectively emotionally, so I though. That's an opinion. Don't shoot me.

As I said, usually, you'll hate a movie that isn't straightforward, and then love it after a second viewing when you watch it without expectations.

Again, just two times, and if you can find other instances, bring 'em out.

Since when is calling someone a "lightweight" anything but a negative?

It was directed at you to be honest. This forum didn't "make me", by any means, but when I got here, I was looking to beef up my Horror flick intel. Naturally, I look(ed) up to you and Evil Dead. I'd be stupid not to, you know your shit, and who better to immulate, taste wise? I just didn't see anything in here that was disturbing, and can't see how you did, given we're on about the same level of "jaded-ness."

But, whether you like it or not is irrelevent to me. But insinuating people who do like it as "acting like lightweights" because WE like a movie you did not is something that needed to be retorted and rejected.

It was only in reference to the content. That's all, not anyone's overall opinions. You guys get the creeps from acupuncture? That was seriously about the only thing *I* would have found minutely distrubing. How about Charlize Theron being vaginally probed with a gun, with a fuzz filter in "Monster"? I think "Audition" relied too heavily at times on "suggestion", but the implications weren't strong enough to make me queazy.

All apologies, on my behalf for any misconceptions or misunderstanding. I think your both all aces, BF, Zero. I think I've been hurling some misdirected hostility this forums way because of some real disappointment in my movie choices as of late. I've been let down a lot lately, getting caught up on some hyped/acclaimed flicks, only be disappointed.

Anyway, here's to keepin' it real. Rent "Audtion", kids. See it for yourself, and if you come back and think it's the best thing since DVDs, and wind up calling me a misanthropic ******* with a narrow cinematic scope, then so be it.

You're all still bitches. 😄

It was directed at you to be honest. This forum didn't "make me", by any means, but when I got here, I was looking to beef up my Horror flick intel. Naturally, I look(ed) up to you and Evil Dead. I'd be stupid not to, you know your shit, and who better to immulate, taste wise? I just didn't see anything in here that was disturbing, and can't see how you did, given we're on about the same level of "jaded-ness."

Firstly, I'd like to say I greatly appreciate your compliment.

Secondly, did you happen to get the censored version? There are NUMEROUS scenes in that movie that are beyond disturbing. To name a few

-The scene where the wierd old piano instructor burns Asami's inner thighs. The way he crawls to her with that horrible look on his face and smiling like that...it's sending shivers down my spine just thinking about it.

-The guy in the burlap sack. When she was on the phone with the main chracter, and the thing moved and made that loud noise, I nearly shit myself, one of the best "jump scenes" I've ever seen in any film. Also, when he emerges from the sack towards the end and we see him missing a hand, a foot, and his tongue, and when he's slurping that milk out of the bowl...again, chilling. How can this NOT be disturbing?

-The torture scene, when she begins cutting off his foot with a wire, and when she puts the needles in his eyes. Plus the fact that he's paralyzed when she's doing it is infinitely creepy.

-The fact that all of this was done by a seemingly normal girl who was actually doing it because she loved him is also disturbing. Seeing as I date a sweet asian girl, this movie may have got to me a bit more then others.

These are the main scenes I can think of that really got to me. If you did get teh censored version then maybe that has something to do with your opinion of the movie. The censored version cuts out quite a bit and makes some of the actions seem implied when they really weren't. If this is the case...then well, I dunno, try and find the uncesored version and fast forward to these particular scenes to see them in all their glory. If not, then I guess you went in expecting something that wasn't there. I will say this, I thought Monster was over rated. It was hard for me to care about what was happening to the character when she was such an unlikeable character. I can't think of anything in that movie that got to me, not like Audition anyway.

One thing about hyped movies, you can't let the hype up your expectations, if you allow that, you'll probably be disapointed.....*****!

Originally posted by BackFire

One thing about hyped movies, you can't let the hype up your expectations, if you allow that, you'll probably be disapointed.....*****!

As apparently obvious as that should have been, I didn't keep that in mind. We even saw the same version too, I dunno, maybe it's because I've seen how psycho Asian chicks can be. (Kill Bill)

To think that those things didn't bother me, and I may be more jaded than you..? 😱

Basically if you were to take Audition and May and put'em together you get almost the same movie. Some Psycho-biatch finds love then her heart is broken and she kills. That's about it. Both films introduce the two women as geekie and innocent looking and as the movie continues you start to observe that the women become darker and darker. Now what separates the two films is that in Audition has more mysterious atmosphere in the female character. Whereas in May the psycho becomes too predictable. Not the case in Audition the female detoraties not near the end like in May, but rather earlier. The suspence builds up for the character that the audience wants to know more about her.

Up to this point I've enjoyed Miike's work. I really hate to compare one of his films with another (Audition vs. Ichi). That would be like comparing Indiana Jones with Jaws is pointless and frankly rather a waste of time. I personally don't think he is overated, but for me he is one of Japan's best directors.

Audition is more like an introduction to Miike's work it pretty much gathers the essence of his work. Miike's films take their time they build up if you feel they are slow or boring....seriously go watch Spiderman 2 or Day after tomorrow. As for the Gore in Miike's films is basically an element. Why? Simple, Miike's characters are not nice people. His characters always contain a dark side within themselves. Some characters release them out others keep that dark side on check. Those that let the dark side out are the ones that create the gore in the films. Like Asami in Audition or Kakihara in Ichi, but the one film in which Miike went the distance was Visitor Q. Not a single character was good or even nice. Unlike in Audition the son was the only innocent character in the whole film.

Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
As apparently obvious as that should have been, I didn't keep that in mind. We even saw the same version too, I dunno, maybe it's because I've seen how psycho Asian chicks can be. (Kill Bill)

To think that those things didn't bother me, and I may be more jaded than you..? 😱

Nah 😉

My guess is that you weren't into the movie during these points so that took away from their power.

Go watch Salo: 120 Days of Sodom, Cannibal Holocaust, and I Stand Alone. Now of those movies have no effect on you at all, then we can talk.

Pussies. All of you.

is it any good and what is it about?

I think it's superb, probably the best japanese horror flick you'll find as far as I'm concerned. Some truley disturbing images. Though not a movie for everyone.

Audition is ace

Here are a few other japanese movies

Bangkok Haunted
Shikoku
Uzumaki
Evil Dead Trap 1,2,3
Double Vision
Versus
Battlefield Baseball
The Watcher in the Attic (1976)
The Mystery of Rampo
Chaos
Phone
A Tale of 2 sisters
The mystery Isle
Gozu

A Tale of Two Sisters is a Korean film.

You know what I mean, Asian!

I saw this movie a while back, I love it. Its one of those few films that builds up to last 15mins or so to the end of the movie, one of the few movies that actually scared/startled me too [that scene when the bag just starts moving around all of a sudden]

Originally posted by BackFire
Also, when he emerges from the sack towards the end and we see him missing a hand, a foot, and his tongue, and when he's slurping that milk out of the bowl...again, chilling. How can this NOT be disturbing?

I love Audition. 😄

Yeah, I realized that after another viewing.

My husband and I watched this movie last night and honestly I thought it was horrible. I am one for pure torture and gore and though that could be considered both a bad and a good thing I thought there wasn't enough in this movie.

The acting wasn't very good either considering, to me from just watching it I thought that the actors weren't really even trying. They should've just went ahead and only put in 50 dollars worth of creating if that makes any sense.

To put it simply this movie bored the living crap out of me. Now I'm not trying to bash anyone else's opinions, if you thought it was a good movie I respect that, everyone has different views on things but for me this movie just didn't cut it.

its called audition.....the chinese version...it doesn't have a really hard to pronounce name such as jufokdov jogkedlakfhfk?

What is this about, all I've heard is it is "amazing"