Sephrioth's greatness is debatable......

Originally posted by Linkalicious
right and what is Link doing while Sephiroth is summoning a meteor from outer space to the planet?

again...the difficulty in comparing the two games.

Well, you either have to bring seph to the live RPG world or you have to bring link to the turn based RPG world. The reason it took so long to summon super nova was the game creators wanted it to look flashy and the turn based combat made it slow also. But if it were a live action fight its not like they'd go through the whole meteor floating through space thing they would just have it fall down on you because.... its a live action fighting game and they dont really go into that much detail about how the attack gets there just as long as it's THERE. Any one see what I'm getting at

So it would be like how Link calls down Ether or Bombos.

and exactly how many "heart containers" would this attack consume? 😕

Bridging the gap between games is more difficult than some might think.

Kingdom Hearts is the closest to a "real time" fighting (Energz powered him down considerably so that might exactly count for potential) by Sephiroth and the only source for Link other than his "top down" strategy versions (or side scroller if going by Link to the Past) is his appearance in Gamecube's "Soul Calibur 2."

Link was skilled with his sword and shield, but even if adding bombs and some bow and arrows, Sephiroth would destroy him and swiftly. FF7 Sephiroth killed a Maelstrom viciously and KH Sephiroth was made almost a god.

Woah!

Where do I begin?

1st off. You have no premise to support your conclusion that Sephiroth is powered down by Energz in that game. That may very well be how a normal character is in a real life fighting game considering the play style of a turn based RPG.

Who's to say Link as a turn based RPG character isn't every bit as strong as Sephiroth? There's no turn based Link to draw a comparison to...

2ndly Link to the Past was NOT a side scroller. Legend of Zelda II: The Adventures of Link was a side scroller. Link to the Past had a "top down" view much like the original LoZ.

3rd. What kind of arguement is that in the 2nd paragraph?

You're using the Link from Soul Caliber 2, and without any form of support for your arguement you reach the conclusion that Sephiroth would destroy him "swiftly."

Then you go so far as to back up your conclusion by naming some random feats of Sephiroth's from his appearance in FF7.

Comparing Link from a fighting game to Sephiroth from a turn based RPG is no different than comparing Link from a "real time" RPG to Sephiroth from a turn based RPG.

Just keep downplaying all of Link's feats from his various video games. Three headed dragons, giant fire breathing dragons, gannon transformed, massive statues, huge spiders. The list goes on...

On numerous occasions Link has possessed the Tri-force, which is said to be able to grant the wishes and desires of whoever posses it. Pretty damn God-like if you ask me.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Woah!

Where do I begin?

1st off. You have no premise to support your conclusion that Sephiroth is powered down by Energz in that game. That may very well be how a normal character is in a real life fighting game considering the play style of a turn based RPG.

Energz made Cloud stronger than Sephiroth in most respects and in FF7, he was only able to achieve the victory by surprise attack. The Energz version conflicts with the strength on the other sources.

Who's to say Link as a turn based RPG character isn't every bit as strong as Sephiroth? There's no turn based Link to draw a comparison to...

Sephiroth was born enhanced by Jenova cells. Link before his long journey that eventually led to the tri-force was courageous, but not that powerful.

2ndly Link to the Past was NOT a side scroller. Legend of Zelda II: The Adventures of Link was a side scroller. Link to the Past had a "top down" view much like the original LoZ.

I remember it being #2, but I just got the name wrong.

3rd. What kind of arguement is that in the 2nd paragraph?

You're using the Link from Soul Caliber 2, and without any form of support for your arguement you reach the conclusion that Sephiroth would destroy him "swiftly."

I suppose you want me to use the cartoon version of Link? He wasn't that powerful. At least with Soul Calibur 2, he was able to compete against some tough warriors. In Kingdom Hearts, that is Sephiroth's only form that showed him in motion that the player couldn't control and he was a fast and powerful character.

Then you go so far as to back up your conclusion by naming some random feats of Sephiroth's from his appearance in FF7.

Comparing Link from a fighting game to Sephiroth from a turn based RPG is no different than comparing Link from a "real time" RPG to Sephiroth from a turn based RPG.

Just keep downplaying all of Link's feats from his various video games. Three headed dragons, giant fire breathing dragons, gannon transformed, massive statues, huge spiders. The list goes on...

On numerous occasions Link has possessed the Tri-force, which is said to be able to grant the wishes and desires of whoever posses it. Pretty damn God-like if you ask me.

I do not discount Link's feats, but it took him time to go against such creatures and he wouldn't have survived long if he went on direct assault. We know little on how Sephiroth battled a creature like Maelstrom, but evasiveness, then attack doesn't fit his portayal either. Sephiroth was a soldier who at least with KH, was very accurate on his attacks. Evasiveness would be trouble for Link.

Tri-force was the strongest when gained completely and if you are adding that to his repetoire, then you are then adding Meteor to Sephiroth that threatened the world.

We had already added Meteor to his ensemble of uber-rific attacks.

The Tri-force wouldn't be used, because with it Sephiroth wouldn't be able to do anything to Link.

All I'm asking you...and every other Sephiroth supporter to try and put the two characters on equal grounds in order to make comparisons.

No, i'm not saying weaken Sephiroth, I'm asking someone to draw a legitament comparison between a turn based RPG and a live action RPG.

How many HP of damage does Link do in an average hit?

in turn.

How many Heart Containers worth of damage does an average Sephiroth hit take?

Either way, Sephiroth is generally in cut scenes where no HP are even displayed. He does in one swing what Link does in 30 because that's the style of the games. The fighting style in the Zelda games is to find a pattern or weakness in the bad guy's attack and then counter it.

What kind of game would it be if you could just kill every bad guy by button smashing for 10 seconds? Need we mention in Link's games....he can block almost any attack with his shield. Or does that not come into play when fighting Sephiroth?

Most of that I can agree with but most of the 7th paragraph I don't. You have a good point that you have to counter the enemy in the Zelda games, but that doesn't mean that there is no strategy in the Final Fantasy games. Its not just button smashing for 10 seconds. Most of the boss fights take 2-3 tries to beat. And you have to know what youre attacks are and who to heal and when to heal them. You have to see what magic type the boss uses so you dont use that magic on him so that it heals him and so you can use the opposite type of magic to damage him more. Yes we underestimated the Zelda games and how hard they can be, but dont make the same mistake thinking that you can blow through the Final Fantasy games in one sit down because its that easy, no it takes MONTHS at a time to beat those games because its so hard and PLUS! you have to train your charactor and such and such.

I just like sephiroth because he's the best character in the FF series.
In my opinion, so....

Final Fantasy IS that easy, but you can't beat the game in one sitting because the games are immensely too long to sit down and beat in one sitting. Building up the character is what catches my attention most about those games. Even though the idea was quickly shot down when I had mentioned it in another thread, i personally think a turn based RPG for Zelda would be sort of interesting. Having a party with like Impa, maybe Goron or Zora, maybe Shiek. It certainly wouldn't be the same Zelda game...but it could be interesting.

The only time I EVER died playing Final Fantasy 7 was when I fought the harder of the ultimate weapons for the first time. (I believe it was Emerald) and that fight took long enough for me to figure out a better plan of attack. I haven't played the newer Final Fantasy games, but I'm sure they must be more challenging.

To me FF7 wasn't so much a challenge as it was like reading a good story book.

The problem is also that for the most part, Sephiroth has been portayed as a boss character, where by the Legend of Zelda principle, it doesn't sound right if it takes a few direct sword swings, bombs, etc. to defeat him. Also, many villains in the game (at least what I remember from the first installment) were usually imobile, except perhaps a head and Sephiroth doesn't stand around (we have to assume when in FF7, if the "miss" pops up, he was evading of course).

I can't rate challenge level on some of the games overall, but there have been frustrating points in Final Fantasy game history if you wanted to work completely through it, such as dodging lightning 200 times on the Thunder Plains in FFX.

Unless Link has shown to use special magic casting, etc. I can see him more in a real time "Kingdom Hearts" style action than a turn-based RPG. Never played any of his adventures after the Super Famicom Legend of Zelda game, but I did see once as a spectator of him in a relatively nonlinear game on one of the newer systems.

Yah, but that's a 8 bit game.

Having a raft and latter that worked automatically was pretty revolutionary at the time.

meh, anyways. I don't care who wins the fight. It's almost assuradly be Sephiroth, i just put up the arguement because I don't like people saying Seph could take Link down in a sword swing like a level 10 Cloud or Barrett.

Link's original...he deserves more respect than he's getting.

I'm sorry if I offended you, but I've never said there was anything wrong with Link. He's just outmatched.

Oh, and I think Super Famicon was 16-bit.

Sephiroth = Boss
Link = Revered Hero.

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Yah, but that's a 8 bit game.

Having a raft and latter that worked automatically was pretty revolutionary at the time.

meh, anyways. I don't care who wins the fight. It's almost assuradly be Sephiroth, i just put up the arguement because I don't like people saying Seph could take Link down in a sword swing like a level 10 Cloud or Barrett.

Link's original...he deserves more respect than he's getting.

You're right, Link should be getting more respect. That would be a pretty interesting battle though.

I thought link had control over time?... isnt that power alone enough to defeat sephiroth?

i really dont have the right to say anything about link seeing as how ive never played a legend of zelda game however i imagine that the power over time is limited to a few seconds at most 30 because if it was infinite that would completely ruin any game wouldnt it? it would be pointless and just as bad as turning on immortality on mortal combat

oh and by the way my vote is for sephiroth he is the original badass

He could move time from him being a tiny little kid to him being a adult. Being able to move time is ultimatly more powerful than anything else in videogame history. If he gets injured, he'll just move time back to the point where he was going to get injured.
But then again, this all specualtion because it was never done in the videogames. But to win, i dont know, i cant play final fantasy games.

Still Link! 😛

as for time changing link can only go so far with that power.
sephy is (if im not mistaken) pretty damn old! especially for the fact hes just a clone of his former self. also (again if im not mistaken) isnt sephy the son of jenova?(the spirit of the planet itself?)

but in a realisitic case my vote is for sephy seeing as he knows some iaido and hes pretty quick so that shield shouldnt be a problem.